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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2004 10:17 pm
by Caramon
On Marius' naming rules:

One issue I have with the rules is that we have quite a varying degree of players here, from those that are pretty young, and those from other countries, with varying degrees of understanding of the English language. The rules you set up were concise and clear to those of us with the ability to understand 'lawyerese' and a good grasp of the English language, but it would pose a problem with those others in the category I just named. As a former Admin/GM of a shard, I can say that I would not have changed the rules, as it makes it a pain to administer if you try to be too specific.

If they do adopt 'Marius version' of the rules, I would recommend putting it into a bit plainer language. Most of the items could be re-phrased to be a bit easier for people to understand, and still get the same point across.

As to a 'naming board', I really do not like the idea. It’s too cumbersome, and would take up too much of the admin/GM's time IMO. If it really came to the point where they HAVE to police every new name that is created, then there are scriptable ways to do so. I just think it’s a pointless expenditure of time for something that really does not happen too often.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 5:40 am
by Adroi Andune
A drive by post :)

Looks in, reads, sticks head back in sand.

Hey my mayan empire just capatured a whole to lot of barbarian slaves, good thing too, got lots of jungle to clear...

PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2004 8:03 pm
by Aislin
i understand that it would be a big ordeal to get a committee on this. But some of the names do not fit here. Some of them are really bad.

Other than that we have some new people who choose the same name as someone already here. Maybe there could be a place and/or on acceptance a list of all the chars on here could be sent to them....asking them not to pick similar names.

I for one did this on accident. I didnt purposely choose a name like someone else..i just didnt know better. I would rather have a unique name. I still get Azalin Darkfires messages all the time. I just hope he doesnt get some of mine :shock:

PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2004 12:40 am
by Azalin4savioR
Uhh occasionally, but nothing personal, just usually a hello or what not. For a time I had considered changing my name, having it changed whatever but Ais talked me out of it! I still stand by the point it should be added that if a person wants to be unique they should make a first and last name. Granted there ends up being alot of people like me with Darkfire, Darkstar, Darkraven, etc. But atleast their not using a common name that everyone may recognize. For instance if you named yourself Rambo could be Rambo Piemaker, thats original, sounds horrible but its original atleast!

PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2004 7:41 pm
by Joram Lionheart
Marius the Black wrote:No one asks the Admin to do what they do, that is true. But no one asks me to try and help improve something I care about. What difference is there, besides assumed power?


Except that you do not hold the power to make the change. You can propose a change in the system but that's as much as you'll be able to accomplish from your position. Whether we like it or not, WoD has never been--and in all likelihood will never be--a democracy (rule by the people). As someone already mentioned, WoD is a benign oligarchy at best (quite a small one too) and players are no more than guests in the Admin's abode. Admins make the rules and enforce them. Players are asked to obey them at acquiesce to Admins' demands. Should the Admins decice Marius is not an acceptable name anymore, there isn't much you can do about it. There doesn't need to be any previously written guidelines specifying the reason why the name Marius is not acceptable anymore. After all, all rules were arbitarily imposed at some point or another (though that does not mean there is not a logical rationale behind them--it is just not always necessary for players to understand what that rationale is).

What happens when the Admin leave, if there are none to take their place? Do we let WoD die as we cling to these strange customs where people must bend their knee to people no greater than themselves because they hold some imagined authority?


Their authority is not imagined. It is very real. Should Laephis and Drocket decide to pull the plug on WoD tonight, there isn't anything you can do to stop them. Personally, I like to believe Admins always make fair decisions and they have good reasons to do/request the things they do. But the fact of the matter is they do not need to. It could very well be that new Admins will take over WoD in the future and things might change drastically. Who knows, maybe you could become an Admin someday and effect some of the changes you've been wanting to see (most unlikely though :P).

We, the players, have no access or understanding to what the Admin do, so none of us (as players) can be sure of just how much is going on.


That is partially correct. Admins are (in the current status quo) under no obligation to explain themselves to you. Nevertheless, countless times I've seen GMs and Admins do exactly that.

You are probably wondering why must things must be this way. I do not have an answer for you. I resigned myself long ago to accept that for the most part Admins in WoD will act justly and with the shard's wellbeing in mind. I'm not an Admin and never have been one. I don't mean to sound too presumptuous but if I had been one, things might have been different (though not necessarily better). I bet you probably feel the same way.

In any case, I believe that if we are forced to remain in the position that we are, the Admin should at least become accountable to the players for their actions. But, that is another argument.


Accountable? Yes, sounds nice. Yet I couldn't honestly say that they are. Ultimately, Admins are accountable only to themselves. MOST Admins, however, will make an attempt to be fair and equittable. But you must understand that you have no power or authority to tell them what to do or what not to do.

And alas, the old saying remains true. You can either accept this fact and continue being a part of WoD, or you can choose to pass and go elsewhere. It's not a threat or bullying. As Ehran already said, it is merely a statement of fact.