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Starling wrote:If banning Lyl is what is going on because she broke a rule then as i have serveral times brought up That AZZO has almost every time i seen him broke rule number 10.

Also if a person goes to trapping a mob inside some place to up the spawn doesnt that key the gms in that There might be a reason? What i see by this act is Lyl was trying to have a place to hunt. As it is right now its hard to find a good place to hunt. The Moonglow gy was Awsome! I loved it when it was kicked up in full gear. As it is now i have to spend around 300 - 500 gold(using the mage shop 100gp a gate) to find a place to hunt. I spend many of my hours online hunting trolls in minoc because not many go there. A few times i hunt there while clearning the main open area before heading the the side I come around the corner and everything is dead. All the work I put into clearing the spawn is wasted because people dont look in the main area. If the gms would only place new dungeon. There is tons of T2A type places for us t2a people. I hear of quests held in T2a so you cant say that you dont want to use t2a because not everyone has it. You could set up a few dungeons and let us go at it. Then Lyl and other people forced into farming places wouldn't have to relay on trapping the main boss to get a better chance to hunt.

Its a sad day when a good person is banned over small things. When you over look someone who has played for a long time and is almost always breaking a rule and Every one of you gms are guilty of it. You know that Azzo is annoying yet you just take it as that is who he is well reread the rules. You also probably think im annoying. Well atleast I have made a attempt with Starling to make new friends and change my ways.

If you want to ban me as well for joining sides with Lyl go ahead.

Thanks for your Time in reading this post.

Dan Greenfire
Jim Greenfire
Robert Greenfire
Starling
Winters Worth

For those of you who do not know why he uses me as an example, I was doing some guard quests one day and after asking a guard for a quest, I noticed a newb with a young tag attcking the guard I had just talked to. I asked the newb many many many times to stop killing my guard, and even offered to relocate him to a less populated town so he could kill guards to his content. The newb stopped looked at me but did not reply and continued attacking the guard. So I buffed the guard. This did not deterthe newb and I added some summoned spirits to safeguard the member of the queens finest in an attempt to make sure my guard would be there when I returned with the head. Winter saw it as an attempted PK on a newb. As many of you know, had I wanted to PK the newb, I very well could have. Also as almost all of you know, there are very few people that go as far out of their way to help and aid others on this shard, not to mention what I do for newbs in general. I ask this of the general populace, do any of you feel, other than Simon, that I am obnoxious to the point that I break rule 10? Rule 10 states and I quote, "Being obnoxious repeatedly, or as a matter of playstyle. Giving a character an inappropriate name is considered obnoxious behavior.". I challenge any of you to dispute the fact that I am helpful and friendly to all unless they have done something in my eyes that would change my oppinion of them. Also should that individual appologize, as Superdude did, I am the first one to forget all about it and have never held a grudge. In game WW or whatever he calls himself these days, and I have spoken about this situation, and I have come to the conclusion that he is not mature enough to let bygones be bygones and move on. He admittedly will not ever see my side of that situation as is his right, But as each and every one of you know should I see his name run across the screen in the need of help or res regardless of how he acts or how I feel I would probly be the first on the scene. So anyone who feels I am in violation of rule 10, lpease speak up for I would like to know so that I may better myself and perhaps make a change for the better. I personaly think I am just fine the way I am, considering the admin who are in charge of these things don't give me weekly warnings, or monthly for that matter, and also you know since I don't hold a grudge your oppinions are held in high regard by me. I live here by the grace of the admin as do we all, I trust in their judgement explicitly and you should also. In closing I only wish to let you know WW I will step up and offer a handshake to end the hard feelings if you would accept it. I don't give two rats farts about everyone loving me or even liking me, ONLY CIARA"S OPPINION MATTERS!, but respect is the key to co-existance. In the words of Gramps (who stole it from someone else) "Cain't we'ins all jest get along?"
hehe she asked me to do that, and I mean come on who can refuse Ciara?

Azzo rules. He is always considerate and crazy and helpful and utterly insane and irreverent and generally all at once.

I give Azzo a big

I don't feel that way about you azzo, honestly, i wasn't even going to read this thread til i seen bayn post

why do you think such things about me?

There will be no handshake from my side. Simple as that.

Starling wrote: As it is right now its hard to find a good place to hunt.

You need to get out more. There is always a place to hunt that isn't crowded with people.

As it is now i have to spend around 300 - 500 gold(using the mage shop 100gp a gate) to find a place to hunt.

Try riding to where you want to hunt. The scenery is nice and you never know what you'll find on the way.

All the work I put into clearing the spawn is wasted because people dont look in the main area.

Why is your "work" waasted? You killed monsters and got loot, right?

If the gms would only place new dungeon.

WoD has lots of dungeons. Do you hunt in all the various dungeons or just a few you are familiar with?

Then Lyl and other people forced into farming

Oh yeah, he was really -forced- wasn't he? I bet a GM took control of him in-game and forced him to do it! It must be a conspiracy, yeah, that's the ticket! A CONSPIRACY!

When you over look someone who has played for a long time and is almost always breaking a rule and Every one of you gms are guilty of it.

You know this for a fact or are you just postulating?

Well atleast I have made a attempt with Starling to make new friends and change my ways.

Bravo. You deserve a cookie!

Thanks for your Time in reading this post.

You are quite welcome.

Starling wrote: That AZZO has almost every time i seen him broke rule number 10.

I've never seen Azzo be rude or inconsiderate. He's always seemed like a cool guy to me and helpful to new players. He was among the first people I met when I joined last fall and it's people like that that made me love this shard and want to stay here.

Starling wrote:There will be no handshake from my side. Simple as that.

Wow! Now there is some maturity. Starling, do you agree with Azzo then? You do not speak of any lies he may have presented. This can only mean that he is right and you are being immature about it. As I see it, you didn't even ask him why you should stop. Killing a guard that someone has to return a head to is very bad form in my opinion. From this incident, unless you tell us of something that Azzo didn't about this situation, I consider your actions rude, obnoxious and not worthy of WoDs. In short, Shape up or Ship out.

I fear that WoD is not the place for you. Azzo has offered to forget it all and basically start over and even take constuctive criticism from people, even you. As I see it, he should not look for help from you in game? Not that he would EVER need it because I will help if even if you do not. I will also help you in the event you need it because that is the way things are done here at WoD.

I know I'm going to end up kicking myself in the posterior for actually repsonding to this post but I couldn't help it.

Azzo was one of the first people on this shard that was nice to me and offered to help when I tried to go it alone and ended up getting mutilated by some foreign creature. He's always been there to chat with me, offer friendly advice and banter wits with anyone who presents a challenge. He has a personality for all his characters and he sticks with them. That's gaming. Plain and simple. Whether Azzo, the character, is a bit gruff or not, he's always willing to help in ANY event. Be it death or crucial information concerning the game. And no, I'm not part of the big Azzo fan club. I only belong to my own fan club because I love me far too much to belong to anyone else's.

The point is, he's a gamer and he plays the game WITHIN the rules. If he hadn't been within the rules he would have been long gone by now. I think everyone should just start minding your own gosh darn business and let the administration take care of what the administration is supposed to take care of. If we let players start running amuck and taking the law into their own hands it'll be chaos and I for one, would end up in jail everytime I opened my big mouth. No one wants to hear Chelsea screeching from behind bars all the way to Britain.

As for the message boards, I have a small bit of advice for the newer people: Let it go. I have seen flame wars on this board that would scorch your drawers. I have seen people get so furious in posts that I was gaping like a fish on dry land at the monitor. But when the chips are down, they always, always help each other out. The boards are a way for players to blow off steam and air their frustrations. No one ever takes this in game. It was a confusing lesson for me to learn but I shuuuure learn't it!

I think I've about covered all my basis. Azzo,you got my support as frightening as that may be to you.

Chelsea,
Estrogenic Defender of Opinionated and Overbearing Men

Starling wrote:If banning Lyl is what is going on because she broke a rule then as i have serveral times brought up That AZZO has almost every time i seen him broke rule number 10.

Also if a person goes to trapping a mob inside some place to up the spawn doesnt that key the gms in that There might be a reason? What i see by this act is Lyl was trying to have a place to hunt. As it is right now its hard to find a good place to hunt. The Moonglow gy was Awsome! I loved it when it was kicked up in full gear. As it is now i have to spend around 300 - 500 gold(using the mage shop 100gp a gate) to find a place to hunt. I spend many of my hours online hunting trolls in minoc because not many go there. A few times i hunt there while clearning the main open area before heading the the side I come around the corner and everything is dead. All the work I put into clearing the spawn is wasted because people dont look in the main area. If the gms would only place new dungeon. There is tons of T2A type places for us t2a people. I hear of quests held in T2a so you cant say that you dont want to use t2a because not everyone has it. You could set up a few dungeons and let us go at it. Then Lyl and other people forced into farming places wouldn't have to relay on trapping the main boss to get a better chance to hunt.

Its a sad day when a good person is banned over small things. When you over look someone who has played for a long time and is almost always breaking a rule and Every one of you gms are guilty of it. You know that Azzo is annoying yet you just take it as that is who he is well reread the rules. You also probably think im annoying. Well atleast I have made a attempt with Starling to make new friends and change my ways.

If you want to ban me as well for joining sides with Lyl go ahead.

Thanks for your Time in reading this post.

Dan Greenfire
Jim Greenfire
Robert Greenfire
Starling
Winters Worth

I hope this is a different Winters Worth than the one I used to know. If this is the same person, I'm completely shocked.

With all due respect (and based on the tone of your wholesale insulting of old players and our administration that isn't a lot.)

Agree with Lyl, dislike a player whatever you like. But don't think you can accuse our players of cheating, or our administration of cheating. If you believe half of the filth you spewed onto this forum you are a fool.

The players on this shard, old and young adhere to the rules. If they don't they are punished justly by the administration. I could list off as many "oldbies" (most of whom still play here today) who have been jailed, had chars deleted or have been reprimanded for breaking the rules of WoD.

Heck I myself spent a three day stint in jail back in the days of Dundee and Shade for.. of all things exploiting. I wasn't a brand new player when it happened. I had posted about the exploit but it was misunderstood and basically dismissed on the forums. So I accepted that and started using it as a tactic in the Shabooli fort. I spent 3 days in jail before finally getting the point across that it was a misunderstanding. I've also been spoken to occasionally regarding this or that, and have reported uncounted bugs to the administration over the years, contributed scripts, suggested new ideas and generally joined in the WoD community. Does that earn me any special treatment? No. Should it? No.

A great many people on WoD have made mistakes both old and new, and the vast majority of them learn from their mistakes and go on to enjoy all that WoD has to offer. Of those few (which can be counted without the use of toes) that have been banned since the shard was founded. I believe all of them were given ample opportunity to mend their ways. They chose not to do so.

Now again with all due respect and in reverence to the rules: Put a sock in it.

and bear in mind before you spout off this drivel again:

WoD Rule:
8. Making false accusations under these rules is itself a punishable offense.

Wow, so.. Nice thread. Maybe an idea would be to see if it's possible to ban from the boards as well. That might be real tough, but perhaps an application, just like for the shard. Just a thought.

I stand shoulder to shoulder with Chelsea Duklain in the "I should keep my mouth shut" line. Nonetheless. I do not know what has gone on in the past, nor do I wish to. But theses things I do know:

When two people disagree, the purest truth is usually found in-between them.

Right is right and wrong is wrong. Humankind may reach the highest pinnacles of creativity when attempting to make wrong appear right, but we all know the difference.

Honesty never has to be defended.

The world would be paradise if we all treated each other the way we want to be treated.

Maybe an idea would be to see if it's possible to ban from the boards as well. That might be real tough, but perhaps an application, just like for the shard. Just a thought.

Unless this is a different version of phpBB than I use, that is entirely possible. I'm guessing the admins are reluctant to do so. I know I am with my boards. Open discussion can be a healthy thing.

I keep things pretty simple. I either love you, like you, don't know you, or flat out don't like you, and I'll tell you straight to your face if you ask me how I feel. In Azzo's case, I love him to death. I'd put my name behind him if the need ever came.

Winter, I was completely amazed when I saw you back and bashing Azzo about this same exact topic in the bank, and I still wonder if you're the same person I knew back then. I would have once said I liked you back before you quit.. I have a feeling there is more to this grudge of your's then you're willing to admit.

Seon MacRae wrote:

Wow, so.. Nice thread. Maybe an idea would be to see if it's possible to ban from the boards as well. That might be real tough, but perhaps an application, just like for the shard. Just a thought.

Unless this is a different version of PHPbb than I use, that is entirely possible. I'm guessing the admins are reluctant to do so. I know I am with my boards.

We try to keep the boards as open to free speech as possible, regardless of how stupid or inaccurate the particular post is. This usually works out OK under the principle of "giving the person enough rope to hang themselves."

Seon MacRae wrote:
I'm guessing the admins are reluctant to do so. I know I am with my boards. Open discussion can be a healthy thing.

Yes and flame wars die out in time. What's the big deal with this thread? If nothing else, it can be amusing.