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I'm posting to let everyone know (if anyone knew me well enough to care) that I'm leaving WoD, I believe for good. I'm sorry, but my experiences here have shown that WoD refuses to grow in any meaningful way, refuses to take advantage of the roleplaying tools available to it, refuses to enhance the playing experience of the people here by altering the item system in anything other than superficial ways, and generally refuses to do anything to set it apart from being just a chat room with customizable avatars. On WoD, anyone with any kind of minor skill at gaming can acquire a castle for himself within a few months at most, even if there is nowhere but the Ice Island to put it. There is almost no challenge here, or if there is, it is overdone, as in the case of the almost undefeatable super-wolves. No one here really bothers to roleplay, or really takes the people who want to roleplay seriously. In fact, almost anyone who does roleplay, and does not roleplay a completely altruistic, generous, caring, lawful person, is almost always bashed for being un-WoD-like. Seeing as this is an rp-optional shard, that seems a bit unfair.

In any case, I'm sorry, but I can't stay here any more. I moved here after my first shard, The First Sundering, went under because this is where FS came to for its files and ideas. However, after playing here for a number of months, I must concede there is nothing here for me. If anyone plays there, I will probably be moving to Realms of Faust sometime soon, so look for me there.

Goodbye.

I wonder why it is that everyone who decides to leave WoD, feel it necessary to make an empassioned speech about how bad WoD is and how unhappy they are here. Actually that is not a fair statement. There have been some who have had to leave due to RL issues. But that is not my point. If you don't want to play here anymore. And you just don't like it here. Just move on.

Call me small minded, but I really like it here.

Bye

~Tristan Gryphon~

Ok look your right about the castle. And your right about there not being a bunch of roleplaying. But that is no reason to leave. At least i dont think.

Tristan Gryphon wrote:I wonder why it is that everyone who decides to leave WoD, feel it necessary to make an empassioned speech about how bad WoD is and how unhappy they are here. Actually that is not a fair statement. There have been some who have had to leave due to RL issues. But that is not my point. If you don't want to play here anymore. And you just don't like it here. Just move on.

Call me small minded, but I really like it here.

Bye

~Tristan Gryphon~

Tristan
I could not have said it better. The only thing that bothers me is that Edgewood said he was bashed when he attempted to role-play. If that statement is true, its a pity we have those bashers here in the WoD. I've been here for 4+ years and will continue to be here because for the most part, the people are some of the friendliest that I've experienced in the few shards I have tested.
Now if there is a challenge to be had I would suggest that he move to a shard that has pk's since back in the day of old Britain, there was rl murderers. Now this would be taking it to the rp'ing extreme hehe
Nonetheless, sorry to see you leave Edgewood, but please....you shouldnt bash the WoD.
Afterall, for those few months that you did play, you didnt spend any money, am I correct? Not like you could have on OSI....what I am trying to say is, this is a free shard and the admins here dont get paid a penny. In fact, technically it costs them money for your playing enjoyment with their isp and upgrades.
Have a good life outside WoD.

Herakles

Bye, i see you...um later i guess

Tristan Gryphon wrote:I wonder why it is that everyone who decides to leave WoD, feel it necessary to make an empassioned speech about how bad WoD is and how unhappy they are here.

Alright, I'm just going to clarify a few things, for the sake of a clean exit, and then I'll be gone.

So, you don't have a problem with people leaving, but you do have a problem with people saying why they're leaving, or rather with people giving negative reasons for why they are leaving? So, by that, it seems that you would disapprove of people leaving for any reason other than they just have no other time to play, or because they feel WoD is too good for them, as if neutral and positive reasons for leaving are the only acceptable ones. Are they supposed to say "I can't stay here, the people are too NICE! Aaaagh!"

I think its only common sense that the people you are complaining about, who make their "empassioned speeches," should be able to explain why they're leaving. I agree that since I don't like it here, I can just leave, but I think it's beneficial to point out to the people still here why I am leaving, in case the reasons I give mean something to them. Maybe I'll come and look next year and things will have changed because of the things I said when I left. Is that an unreasonable idea?

In any case, I've made clear my reasons for leaving because I wanted people to know why I left in more detail than just "I don't like how things are." I resent the implication that it is better to leave silently than leave on a protest. At least protests can sometimes cause progress.

P.S. for GM's-
My fiance also has an account here, but she does not play any more. Her character is Esmeralda, and she has an empty shop just south of mine. You can go ahead and delete both our accounts, she's not coming back either.

Edgewood Dirk wrote:Alright, I'm just going to clarify a few things, for the sake of a clean exit

Too late

So, you don't have a problem with people leaving, but you do have a problem with people saying why they're leaving, or rather with people giving negative reasons for why they are leaving?

Yes, I do have a problem with them giving negative reasons for their leaving. You're negatives just might be positives for the people who do like playing here.

So, by that, it seems that you would disapprove of people leaving for any reason other than they just have no other time to play, or because they feel WoD is too good for them, as if neutral and positive reasons for leaving are the only acceptable ones. Are they supposed to say "I can't stay here, the people are too NICE! Aaaagh!"

No, anytime someone decides to leave it makes me sad. Because I do enjoy it here, and can't understand why people don't like it here. But I don't think that you should trash the shard for dramatic affect because you don't like it here.

I think its only common sense that the people you are complaining about, who make their "empassioned speeches," should be able to explain why they're leaving.

Why? So they can try to create discord with the people who are not leaving? How is that common sense?

but I think it's beneficial to point out to the people still here why I am leaving, in case the reasons I give mean something to them.

Beneficial to whom? The people who like it here? I think that if the reasons you give mean anything to them, they would come to that conclusion on their own. Once again, you are just trying to stir up s#%t.

Maybe I'll come and look next year and things will have changed because of the things I said when I left. Is that an unreasonable idea?

Why is it that people always want to change WoD to what they think it should be? Why not enjoy the world the way that it is, and if it is not right for you, just leave?

I resent the implication that it is better to leave silently than leave on a protest. At least protests can sometimes cause progress.

Resent all you want, I don't care. The fact remains that you are just trying to bend others to your dissatisfaction. And this progress you speak of, who is it progress for? You? Maybe your progress is digression in the minds of the people who do like it here.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. WoD is not for everyone. There are some who will not like it here. But there are a large group of people who do like it here. Quit trying to stir up trouble for the latter group, if you are in the former group. It is not necessary for us to know of, or agree with your reasons for leaving. Just go.

~Tristan Gryphon~

Tristan Gryphon wrote:Quit trying to stir up trouble for the latter group, if you are in the former group. It is not necessary for us to know of, or agree with your reasons for leaving. Just go.

~Tristan Gryphon~

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the end-all, BE-all, statement on the issue! The mighty Tristan has spoken, and what has hath proclaimed, let NO man try to put asunder!

Gimme a break...

Bottom line: the guy posted a well thought out, non-ranting, grammatically correct and informative post concerning why he was leaving. If it "offends" your delicate senses to hear anything negative, click the little box that says "mark all topics read" and move on to the next forum... There may be some who are interested in why someone is leaving, and just because a few "oldbies-who-know-everything-there-is-to-know-about-the-game" think he should have left silently doesn't mean he has to.

Bravo, Edgewood! Tell it like it is, and don't let those with self admitted small minds silence you.

Celeste Kendreyl wrote:And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the end-all, BE-all, statement on the issue! The mighty Tristan has spoken, and what has hath proclaimed, let NO man try to put asunder!

Gimme a break...

Bottom line: the guy posted a well thought out, non-ranting, grammatically correct and informative post concerning why he was leaving. If it "offends" your delicate senses to hear anything negative, click the little box that says "mark all topics read" and move on to the next forum... There may be some who are interested in why someone is leaving, and just because a few "oldbies-who-know-everything-there-is-to-know-about-the-game" think he should have left silently doesn't mean he has to.

Bravo, Edgewood! Tell it like it is, and don't let those with self admitted small minds silence you.

Considering the source, I guess I'm not quite sure how to take this.........


Oh, that's it! Must be that evil "clique" thingy again. Go Me! hehe

The mighty Tristan has spoken,

She called me mighty, hehe Woot!

Celeste Kendreyl

I thought you quit. Hmmm......



~Tristan Gryphon~

When did she quit?

I too think we're at an impass here, we need more RP events, but I suspose that players could get together and RP, maybe clean up part of the world.

Things get rather dull with the go here kill that sort of quest.

But hey another one bites the dust.

Tristan
You are correct, Celeste did quit the same as Edgewood did.....dunno what happened there. Will Edgewood be back as well? lol
I hate to see anyone quit, even the nay sayers and trouble makers. Along with the yay sayers and non trouble makers.
I have never really talked to any of them two so I really can't say anything bad/good about them except for what I read on the forums. And if I read negativity, I will comment on it as well as positive things.
Unfortunately Celeste, for the most part, your posts lean toward the negative side. Maybe if you had a smidgen of positives that you post about, people would think different of your posts. They would think you are actually trying to help the shard rather than bash it.
Oh well......

Herakles

Herakles wrote:Unfortunately Celeste, for the most part, your posts lean toward the negative side. Maybe if you had a smidgen of positives that you post about, people would think different of your posts. They would think you are actually trying to help the shard rather than bash it.
Oh well......

Helping is better than criticizing . . . I guess it takes a 'know-it-all-oldbie' like you to realize such a simple concept, eh Herk

WoD refuses to grow in any meaningful way, refuses to take advantage of the roleplaying tools available to it, refuses to enhance the playing experience of the people here by altering the item system in anything other than superficial ways, and generally refuses to do anything to set it apart from being just a chat room with customizable avatars.

Like it or not, it's true. Accept it as observation based on experience; WoD refuses to change. Once you come to understand that, you realise just how limiting WoD really is, and how small it will always be.

..go here kill that sort of quest.

Don't expect that to change any time soon. Quests have been like that more or less since I've come here, and there's nothing to indicate they'll be anything else. It seems more like it doesn't matter what players what, "you'll get what you're given and you'll like it". In fact, regarding that pirate quest, a Seer withdrew the entire thing because (s)he felt it was not getting enough attention that it deserved. The role-playing aspect of the quest actually had people out and about 'searching' for pirates, but because no one posted in the Forum, (Quests must follow a certain pattern you see, changing that is sacrilege) the quest was turfed. I've got my own way of describing 'quests' and its the "Go to X to kill Y" forumlae. It pretty much describes every quest recent-to-date.

I'll spare everyone else the time and effort of replying hatefully to this post, and summarise what most people will probably say:

"Well Marius, if you don't like it, leave."

And now that that's settled, maybe we can have some constructive thought on the matter. Mind you, there's plenty of good ideas being thrown around, and I'm glad everyone has remained calm and understanding up to this point. It's a positive thing. I just hope it can continue.

-M

Marius the Black wrote:Like it or not, it's true. Accept it as observation based on experience; WoD refuses to change. Once you come to understand that, you realise just how limiting WoD really is, and how small it will always be.

Now, when you say 'WoD refuses to change' what exactly do you mean by that? See, that's just not specific enough for me. WHO or WHAT part of WoD exactly is stagnant? Notice I'm neither disagreeing or agreeing with you here, I just want to hear you name some names and clearly spell out the parts of WoD that just don't seem to change to your liking. What (or who) do you think the problem is?

"Well Marius, if you don't like it, leave."

I have a better saying . . . "Well, Marius, if you don't like it DO something about it." facta non verba . . .

Marius the Black wrote:Mind you, there's plenty of good ideas being thrown around, and I'm glad everyone has remained calm and understanding up to this point. It's a positive thing. I just hope it can continue.
-M

Maybe I'm missing something, what "good ideas" are you talking about? All I hear is the bashing of the shard part.
If you ask me, this shard has lasted nearly 5 years. So, apparently something is being done right. Some shards dont last 5 days.
Maybe its the oldbie in me(right Joram? heh) that keeps me defending this shard. But I think its a pretty darned good place to go to get away from reality.
What is everyone looking for? Skyscrapers and 9-11?
I would imagine there is only a limited amount of things that can be done here. I am pretty much computer illiterate and wouldnt have a clue on the scripting of the game. But I do know though that we would be fairly limited which would prevent changes above and beyond that OSI would have.
Marius......I dont think anyone would be saying to you to get out if you dont like it. You've been an intricate part of this game since you've been here. And if not ingame, then here on the forums. As far as I can tell, you havent really been negative until your last post.
Oh, and if anyone thinks this is not a good place to be. I checked the server status Monday while at work and saw that there was 42 players on. Such a good number for such a bad place to be. things that make me go hmmmmmmm. LOL

Herakles