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Seeing that we have some many new players around, I was wondering if anyone would be interested in participating in one of these. I'm talking to older players here (obviously, all newbies are welcomed). The idea is to allow newer players to keep the gold and lesser magics (which is usually all that one gets in newbie hunts anyway ).
It would also be an excellent opportunity to make new friends and "train" newer players' group hunting skills.
Oh and yes, Order guards are encouraged to participate

Yeah, let the new players keep the lesser magics. Like when i was on young status guys took the rugged mr buff, and gave me a sword of quality
That is so fair you know?

You mean we're not hunting newbies? Aw, the title was misleading

Count me in Joram.......I'll be glad to hunt newbies, er.....hunt with newbies and help. But if its this week or weekend I may not be able to. But next weekend for sure.

Lord Herakles

Same here. Depending on time and date, I should like to be there. Love to do anything to help the Order Guards and/or new people.

Bassett wrote:Like when i was on young status guys took the rugged mr buff, and gave me a sword of quality
That is so fair you know?

You mean you didn't even get to roll for it? Sounds like you got scammed. People shouldn't even do that in quest hunts. By letting them keep lesser magics I mean we wouldn't even bother splitting bensons. Just give everything away that's not a plate of invul or something, in which case we would all just roll for it.

Several things bother me about this thread...

Joram Lionheart wrote:...an excellent opportunity to... "train" newer players'...

I would think it should be in the best interest of the "newer" players, to develop their own techniques of hunting, and not have their methods skewed by those who think they know more, simply because they have/had been here longer.

Wolfie wrote:You mean we're not hunting newbies? Aw, the title was misleading

Just silly...

Joram Lionheart wrote:The idea is to allow newer players to keep the gold and lesser magics...
Just give everything away that's not a plate of invul or something, in which case we would all just roll for it.

Let them keep the magics, or don't. Either, or... not "Well, THAT'S a really good item, so you can't just keep that..." Many have been the times when I have taken new players down to dungeons, and upon returning, find that they have looted some +8 skill buff that I might very well be able to use, and possibly even have been looking for- but if I have told them from the beginning that the loot was theirs, the loot is theirs. I don't change my mind because they got a good item...

Celeste Kendreyl wrote:Several things bother me about this thread...

hehe, feeling chilly? Need some flames to get warmed up? Naw, not from me you won't get any!

Joram Lionheart wrote:...an excellent opportunity to... "train" newer players'...

I would think it should be in the best interest of the "newer" players, to develop their own techniques of hunting, and not have their methods skewed by those who think they know more, simply because they have/had been here longer.

Remember, a lot of new players come here brand new to UO. They haven't any idea what to do or how to play, much less fight. Others come from shards so different it is frightening! WoD wildlife can be very dangerous to those that come with preconceptions. It doesn't hurt a newcomer to learn some of the strategies that have proven out over time to be effective. If they don't care for the strategies, they can develop their own! Joram's though was just a way of expressing "We care about you and want you to be the best you can be."

Besides, newcomers are not forced to learn anything they don't want to. They don't have to go on a hunt with "oldbies" or anything. I personally learned an incredible amount from established players such as Ciara, Edison, Angelique, Sachiko and others (don't get mad if you are not listed!). I would know much less without their caring.

Joram Lionheart wrote:The idea is to allow newer players to keep the gold and lesser magics...

Let them keep the magics, or don't.

I have to agree with you here. When I have taken newcomers hunting, they get everything! If they luck out and get an indy sash of magery and magic reflection, that is great. Not that anyone should expect something like that.

Celeste Kendreyl wrote:Several things bother me about this thread...

Joram Lionheart wrote:...an excellent opportunity to... "train" newer players'...

I would think it should be in the best interest of the "newer" players, to develop their own techniques of hunting, and not have their methods skewed by those who think they know more, simply because they have/had been here longer.

Wolfie wrote:You mean we're not hunting newbies? Aw, the title was misleading

Just silly...

The hunting ways thing: We are not telling them how to hunt solo just teaching them how to hunt in a group so everyone after the hunt (or during) doesn't go " Man you stupid newbie don’t run ahead and get us all killed" when they are on a quest like the controlled. It only to help them learn to hunt in a group as I said before

The Wolfy thing: Since when was it illegal to mess around?

As for the hunt Joram you can count me in

I might just happen to hit one of them wail I'm trying to cast lighting on a creature

If I'm on when you start the quest I will be happy to go. I wish someone had thought of this when I first started playing Uo.

[quote="Celeste Kendreyl"]Several things bother me about this thread...

LOL....why is there always an activist out there??? hehe

Lord Herakles

count me in too joram. Sounds like a good idea. When i was a newbie i hunted with this guy (not sure his name anymore) and he took off with all the loot leaving me in the dungeon alone. You can count on this order guard to help. just let me know when.

Love your Order Guard Goddess
Elwen

Celeste Kendreyl wrote:Several things bother me about this thread...

I'm saddened to hear that. I hope you're not too terribly upset to read my reply.

Joram Lionheart wrote:I would think it should be in the best interest of the "newer" players, to develop their own techniques of hunting, and not have their methods skewed by those who think they know more, simply because they have/had been here longer

And I suppose you mean to tell me we don't know jack because we are more experienced? Umm, not sure I follow your logic. When I say "train" them in group tactics I don't mean teaching them how to hunt. That, anyone can learn on his/her own. Hunting in a group, however, is a different story. I think quest events are an excellent example of why such a group-hunt training would be needed. I constantly hear players complain about a few players who just can't seem to get with the program and act like they are in a group when they ARE in a group. I don't think this is always (as it is often assumed) due to lack of concern or players just wanting to do their own thing. Often times these players simply don't know what the protocol is when hunting in a group. You'd think concepts like "give mages time to meditate" and "don't run ahead" would be common sensical for most people, and yet there's almost always someone who needs to be 'reminded'

Wolfie wrote:You mean we're not hunting newbies? Aw, the title was misleading

Just silly...

Yup, it was a joke. I hope you didn't find it too offensive (though I fail to see why you should).

Joram Lionheart wrote:Let them keep the magics, or don't. Either, or... not "Well, THAT'S a really good item, so you can't just keep that..."

In a perfect world, I could advertise an event in which everyone would want to participate merely for the sake of participating in a communal activity. In a perfect world, players would join quests solely for the fun and enjoyment of being part of it. Heck, in a perfect world, no player would accuse other players of being bad people because they failed to help that player after she lost all her gear (or get mad enough to accuse a GM of PKing her because she was afk and lost her stuf) . In a perfect world, people would want to give more than they would want to get. Material rewards would be secondary to interpersonal relationships (no gimme, gimme, gimme attitudes).

But human nature being what it is, I realize we don't live in a such a world. I've seen it more times than I care to count. Most people need "incentives" to do anything. I've lost count of how many quest loot splits have ended up in bitter arguments over some magic item or two. I'm trying to spare myself the unnecessary trouble of having to tell people what they can have and what they cannot have. If someone at the end of our hunt really has his/her heart set on those indestructible sandals of magic resistance, I'm not about to get into an argument about how newer players deserve those sandals more than he or she does simply because they are newbies (an argument that I don't even agree with).

My philosophy is simple, I cannot and will not force anyone to give up something they are entitled to simply because I say so. If it was just Order guards I was hunting with I could do this. If it was just me and the group of newbies I would definitely have no problem letting them have everything. I decided to make this a open-to-all event, though. Shame on me . . .

Many have been the times when I have taken new players down to dungeons, and upon returning, find that they have looted some +8 skill buff that I might very well be able to use, and possibly even have been looking for- but if I have told them from the beginning that the loot was theirs, the loot is theirs. I don't change my mind because they got a good item...

Good for you. This hunt, however, as I posted above, is not about stuff. Just like quests, a newbie hunt should be about the experience and about meeting new people. Making friendships, hunting together, letting everyone have a good time. If at the end of the hunt we're going to have a bitter argument about some silly item then the experience and the fun are ruined. I'm sorry but I'm just not so fixated on loot as you are.

It is my experience that loot--gold, and magics--are not all that hard to get on WoD. More importantly, no one is going to keep playing here because they've got the best gear ever. That's why powergamers don't last long here. WoD is about friendships and family, not about loot and material stuff. My goal is not to have every new player running around with full indestructible gear after their first month of playing. My goal is to make sure new players feel welcomed here and view the rest of us as friends they can count on. Rescuing people is nice and all but that doesn't necessarily ensure friendships are made. In my personal opinion, group events are the best way to make new friends. This is a such an event.

And remember, just because I give you stuff doesn't mean I'm your friend. Friendships are a lot more than letting the fella next to you have your share of the loot.

When will this event take place? I want to make sure some of my newbie friends will be able to participate. I have been lax in helping them as much as i should be but i feel a group quest such as this will teach them some much needed skills and help them feel part of the WOD experience.
I think this is a Great idea! so many times playing as much as i do there are things that i now take for granted the newcomers should know. It always surprises me that they dont know how to split or reset a loot bag....IM IN!!


~Aislin~

Depending on what date and time it is you can count me in on the quest. I think it is a very good idea.