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Joram Lionheart wrote:FYI: Flames don't actually hurt. They're just words.

Words can hurt. But, only if we are dumbasses and let them.

And sometimes its best to just avoid the whole situation to begin with.

In my humble opinion it is absurd that this discussion has gone this far. The way I see it, there are many variables that must be weighed before you condemn someone for hunting in the graveyard.

First off, though it may be a general consensus that the Brit graveyard is off limits to veteran players, nowhere does it state this in the manual, on a sign post, etc (At least since last I played).

Secondly you must question the context in which the event happened. If the veteran player cleaned out the graveyard before the new player arrives, then how is he at fault (per above statement).

Thirdly if the new player arrives during the battle, there is such as thing as asking the veteran to let you clean the area for sake of being weaker etc. Or dare I say ask to join forces with the Vet and perhaps make a friend and hunt together on tougher creatures afterwards.

And finally the graveyard spawns every 20 minutes and there are plenty of creatures around Britain to fight, so it should not be a hardship to have to actually EXPLORE and find creatures to fight.

This really sounds to me more like an issue of "this is my graveyard, I want it, and you can't have it." I have been playing UO and other RPGS for many years and I have never made a player feel unwelcome to hunt with me or claimed a territory to myself. In addition, I like to at times fight things below my level for some quick kills. Sometimes you do not have time clear an entire dungeon, and other times you may just feel like warming up before you go on a big hunt, not to mention change of scenery.

The point being, it is awful immature to come to the forums and cry about someone hunting when it would have made much more sense to confront the player and express your reasons directly. And before anyone asks, it was not me in the graveyard, nor do I know who it was, but the point remains the same. Given the facts posted in this thread I see no reason the Veteran should be at fault.

However I will say if a newb was in there hunting first and the veteran came in and cleared it while you were hunting that is a different story, and even if that were the case you should still have confronted the player in game as opposed to starting another flame thread on the forums.

I have been away from WOD for a good while but still check the forums from time to time and was considering coming back to WOD full force (can never get enough UO). I just hope that this is not indicative of the way things are in WOD now. It has always been a great place to play with incredible people. The most impressive aspect was always the caliber of players that inhabited WOD.

Not everyone is THAT anal, just a few. Most of us make it a point to be nice and try to help others. Though a few times people go nuts then later say they are sorry for going nuts.

i keep hearing the words flame wars and flaming etc being tossed around. wod is an amazingly civil place at its worst and i really don't think the worst flames i have seen here should scorch anyone's psyche.

Compared to some shards full of 12 year old l33t pker's these WoD boards have no flames what-so-ever on them.

Since a high-level character cannot maintain itself or the interest of its player based on low-level opposition (and loot) such as is found in Brit Cem, if I saw one there, I would assume there was an unusual and special reason for it. Out of curiousity, I might ask them about it. However, to just assume they are somehow "poaching" in newby territory (poaching WHAT, for crying out loud?) strikes me as a little silly.
If we are going to look for things to complain about, let's talk about IMPORTANT stuff, such as remembering to refer to Homer Oldham Memorial Cemetary by its proper name.

2 valid points have been missed here

1. Vet player makes new chara dumps money and items to build player basicly overnight. New Chara does not have the stats to survive outside of the newbie area.

2. I do this often... The spawn in the gy is based on # of mobs. When it spawns it spawns birds/rats along with the norm gy critters, most noobs do not kill the birds/rats. Thereby causing the # of mobs that do give loot to decrease. In the end if no one kills the birds/rats the gy will be nothing but birds/rats. So I reg check the spawn in the gy to kill everything so there is a good spawn there on a reg basis.

And no it was not me I do not have a tamer, nor own a dragon.

If someone does show while I am in the gy, I leave out the back gate and let them have the spawn.

Immars

edit = often means once a day if I log in

Hi guys, Most probably won't even remember me as it's been well over a year since I played and even then I never posted much but I always read the forum to keep in touch.

Needless to say, It has to be something really special to get me to post these days and I feel compelled to commend Roger Rabbit for the most abnoxious, patronizing, childish(if you communicate like this all the time and its actually an affliction, i apologise in advance), cowardly post I have seen on any forum for a long while. Attempting to ridicule and belittle anyone who disagrees, even to the point of countering arguments no one had made. (no one has complained that there were no monsters for them, the question is as to wether or not the cem should be left for new players).

I can only assume from the content and length of the post that he considers himself (wrongly) to be vaguely amusing and sardonic. Choosing to contribute to the argument in some vague form of attempted (failed) sarcasm instead of offering a valid point.(That or hes relaying an excerpt from his own home life).

Cowardly to the point of creating a new name rather than having the courage to stand by what he had to say, (probably wise on reflection though eh?).

One positive thing though Roger, Bayn aparrently found you entertaining so you can reassure yourself that you aren't in fact bottom of the intellect ladder. Unless of course you are in fact Bayns alter ego, in which case its just sad.

So to recap in Roger Rabbit style.....Yes it is a game but you can't play as you see fit. Play courteously (otherwise why choose WOD ?) and to the ROC.

Incidentally, for what my opinion is worth (not much as an ex player) Vets in the cem is just laziness, was guilty of it myself. Too easy to make a few k quickly. I'm sure anyone being honest would admit, when you've got the skills its the easiest money in game. Never took a drag in tho, I'd have been too embarassed if any one had seen me

Sorry for rambling on, I post so rarely, made the most of it.

regards, Dodge.

Now about the graveyard, i have seen young players dragging monsters from gy to guard. ISN'T THAT OVERKILL?

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I've lost my temper ages ago. Sorry for that.

Dodge wrote:...I feel compelled to commend Roger Rabbit for the most abnoxious, patronizing, childish(if you communicate like this all the time and its actually an affliction, i apologise in advance), cowardly post I have seen on any forum for a long while....

I found RR's post completely different. The whole argument is rather silly and RR brought that out with the structure of their post. It WOULD have been nice if they had posted under their real name though.

There is always a lot of whining that goes on concerning new players, and WoD babies new players to an enormous extent. That often creates a nice, warm feeling but if can also set an attitude in the newcomer that they "deserve" to be babied from then on. Well folks, ya gotta grow up someday.

One positive thing though Roger, Bayn aparrently found you entertaining so you can reassure yourself that you aren't in fact bottom of the intellect ladder. Unless of course you are in fact Bayns alter ego, in which case its just sad.

You obviously haven't read a lot of my posts. I never shy away from saying what I think. lol.

Arguing pointlessly on the Forums has become far to a common occurence for my liking. Instead of drawing this issue out further, please read "Marius' Guide to Posting on the Forums" in the General Forum.

-M

Sometimes a childish argument has to be put in childs words so that even children can understand it.

and WoD babies new players to an enormous extent.

I always figured it babied all its players all the time, which is fine, people play WOD because that suits them. I left because i found it a bit too sickly sweet at times. eg, vet posters on the boards leaving because they had died in game and no offers of assistance had flooded in. After having played UO europa for 3 years previous, I found peoples friendliness and constant offers of help somewhat unnerving lol.

I found RR's post completely different

indeed it was, probably because none of the other posters were unnecessarily attempting to take the *ahem* out of each other. The fact it was done anonymously suggests that even the poster thought it was iffy.

You obviously haven't read a lot of my posts. I never shy away from saying what I think

nor should you, but nor should people attempt to belittle you for doing so.(although I did, guilty)

Sometimes a childish argument has to be put in childs words so that even children can understand it.

Indeed, that is true, but to imply that posters on this board are children simply for expressing an opinion on a particular subject that you consider unimportant is insulting and smacks of superiority. If the subject matters so little to you then why read the thread, let alone post in it?

You know, for cuddly, nice people some of you are very intolerant.

regards Dodge.

Homer wrote:Since a high-level character cannot maintain itself or the interest of its player based on low-level opposition (and loot) such as is found in Brit Cem,

i would question that homer. i have been here 4 years now and i am really hoping to work my way up to hunting bears in the next few months.