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How about not going after any guards at all, Joka? I really don't see why you would have to purposefully go on a guard-killing spree, specially in Britain where you know there's a guard around every corner. Sometimes you can't avoid it; if a guard sees you while you are grey, and you have negative virtue, that guard HAS to die or else it'll give you problems in the future. But if you are grey and decide to go for a stroll around Brit--that's just asking for trouble. I've also noticed that at least 50% of the time there are people doing guard quests in Britain (during peak times). If you kill every guard in sight chances are you are ruining someone's quest.

My personally philosophy is if someone has a problem with it and you can avoid it, do so. And there's ALWAYS another option. The easiest thing to do is to recall out. Log in with a different char, go do something else, or at least wait till the person is done with guard-questing and you can always come back to that guard and finish him/her off later.

Like several people have mentioned there are tons of other NPCs in the world you can go after to give you negative virtue. Heck, just using poison on regular mobs will do the trick just fine. Killing guards on purpose is NOT necessary. Is it allowed? Sure. Is it the best way? No, especially after people have told you they don't like you doing that.

I'm not meaning to 'side' with anyone here, but I think the smartest thing to do when you encounter someone who is not in the best of moods is to quietly remove yourself from the scene of the crime (pardon the pun ), and let it slide. I gurantee you that getting into an argument with the other person is not going to help any. It will not help him/her see your side better, and it certainly won't change his/her mind.

I just hope killing guards does not become standard operating procedure of people wishing to lose virtue. To do it randomly and wantonly is just not the best choice. If you must defend yourself, please do, but it seems at that point you should be able to avoid any further problems.

I hope people would see guards deserve the same respect as healers and NPC merchants. They have a benefit to players as long as they are alive. It is an inconvience to have to deal with missing shopkeepers, healers and guards.

(edited for spelling, I'm sure I didn't get them all )

Just for the record, I never yelled at you, only pleaded for you to stop.

When you were killing the one guard and I was frantically trying to heal it to no avail, I did not know that was my guard. When I asked for the quest he was down by the docks so I didn't realize it was the same guard. Of course I was very disappointed to find out later (after you left) that the head in my pack was worthless and I wasn't going to gain the virtue that I deserved.

I never once initiated a msg conversation with you. However, you messaged me a few times, only to argue that killing guards is okay. I never quoted you either, please don't put words in my mouth.

I don't know if any GM's were on last night, but a GM was paged by Joka (or so I was told). So we waited around and fished for awhile. Ehran stopped by to say hello and try to talk some sense into him. We must've argued for an hour or so. I know that one does not have to kill guards to lose virtue.

Joka, I didn't take your 5k gold. It's not about gold. It's about wasted efforts, and being considerate to others. I found it very rude to kill guards during prime time when others are out doing guard quests and specifically when asked nicely to stop.

It is also rude to spy on other people's conversations.

I really wish there was some solution to this problem. I like Ehran's suggestion of making 1 out of 20 Uber guards.

Does anyone else have any ideas?

-Tes

Well apparently one of the PTB took Ehran's idea and implemented it. This evening at Brit Bank 6 people were insta-killed by a guard on steroids.

Killing Guards is not right.

Ok for those of you seeing this Post belongs to me Stop laughing.

Having said that killing guards is not wrong.

Guards give more then just gold. When you do a guard quest you get some gold, some virtue, and a chance at a magic item. This last week a several people I know have gotten silver destruction, tempered invocation, and Indy magery (Million gold Item) off of GQ not to mention the for new characters the best way to increase stats after 60 is through guard quests.

I don’t know about you but 5k sure as heck isn’t worth a shot at Indy magery, or going from 89 strength to 90.

Now, for the not wrong side of the coin. For those of you who say just don’t be grey in front of a guard. I say you are probably the same people who laughed when I said killing guards is wrong. Sometimes you can’t help but be grey. Accidentally double clicked that area effect spell scroll (hehe I have seen the bank plague more then I have seen it used while hunting, and I would go hunting with Nox) or when your out on a hunt and you accidentally double clicked on someone, or unfroze them with a love tap, or were doing devious things and had to suddenly recall to the bank. (I kill the bank guards about twice a week to save some characters, others characters I let die ) Not to mention some npc’s deserve to die (who looks good in a dress now , I guess I am just to sexy sometimes)

1 in 20 Uber guards I like that Idea it has been a while since I killed an uber guard (or uber crier)
Think how easy invasions would be too just lead all the mobs to the guards (yes this is a hidden subtle ploy to take a shot at those who have guards fight there battles(those who want to say something about running for your life look above I believe there are reasons for everything, but you know when you are making the guards do you killing for you ))

So to you wannabe evil doers I say Stop killing guards! That is my job

No I meant to say be respectful of other players or I will kill you.

No wait, I got it if you kill a guard that has given out a quest you owe the questee (Wonders if that is the right word) 1 million gold Mr. Powers, and if you kill a guard I am on a quest for then YOUR HEAD WILL BE JOINING THE ONE IN MY BAG!

and you would owe me 2 Million gold!


Ok to recap since I tend to get speachy (Yay Angel quote). Killing guards not good, however there are some reasons to kill them. Just don’t go around trying to kill them. the uber guards idea I like, but sometimes you have to kill a guard (uber or not). Most importantly Respect the other players or suffer mine or the GM’s WRATH!

Scott Myr

Tamla Tamara wrote:Does anyone else have any ideas?

Joram Lionheart wrote:...the smartest thing to do when you encounter someone who is not in the best of moods is to quietly remove yourself from the scene of the crime (pardon the pun ), and let it slide.

hum my title is as low as you can get from just using lesser and reg pots.
i do not see why anyone would want to kill a guard ?
but thats there choice if they want to kill a guard so be it,but you would think they would have some dam respect !
everone who plays this shard knows brit is the most used town alonge with the guards there for quests!
theres other guards in towns that are not used that much like vesper,olloco,skara,etc.
other then helping someone who is grey in brit and needs to get away from a guard there is no reason to kill them there.
since most new players use the guards there for quests to get virtue to get higher stats.

personaly if you get your kicks from causeing grief to other players and just wanting to make problems ,there are other shards to play on!

ya i know i have cause problems here when i was young here less then a month old
i had half the shard wanting to kill me or bann me .
but i learned!

yes i love to argue on the froums and i disagree with a lot of things posted here but killing guard you know know are used almost all the time is just lame .
even im not that mush of an a-hole!
bah im done or i might go off and get banned goodnight

Since I joined the board I've had a hard time learning the system. There are a lot of skills that I believe are masked wrong. A lot of actions or spells that don't work how I think they should. But if there's anything that makes up for that it's the helpful people that WoD is chocked full of.

Countless people have dropped doing quests or entertaining friends to help me with the simplest tasks. From my spellbook (thanks Dione ^_^) to my scrolls (thanks Scott), and lumbering and my lich staff (thanks Tes and Tam ^_^).

One thing these people have taught me is you should really be more helpful to people around you. It not only improves the gameplay, but also creates a tight-knit friendship that guarantees you a repaired Fortified Feathered Hat when you need it.

I could care less if you want to kill guards. But please do it respectfully... if that's at all possible. ^_^ There's no reason for anyone to hate another person on this shard. It's a great place for beginners to start unafraid and for seniors to quest with new fighters.

So as an end note. If I ever catch someone bothering, badgering, or just outright being mean to any of my friends I will likely begin hunting you down as my own Necromantic virtuous right.

So please lose virtue carefully. Or I may be forced to lose it haphazardly.

Cindy. *^_^*

some of my friends killed a guard for me...*blush* i have a new necromancer, and without realiseing the guard would kill me i casted nox on someone just fooling around, and the guard killed me. if they hadnt killed it, i would have been there forever.

I've been killed several times by guards. It really isn't that big of a problem. As a ghost, you wait until you ungrey and then have someone resurrect you.

I think there is a difference when you have negative virtue but I'm not sure of this.

All I am sure of is that if you are a necromancer then you should be very careful of what you are doing. It is not really a good starting class in the first place. But it is also a large responsibility that needs great consideration before deciding to take it.

~Cindy "^_^"

ok i to make sure you all know that night i wasnt purposly killing anyguards. i was in magnicia killing npcs. when i got tired of it i recalled to the brit bank where that guard attacked me. and somehow killed me. i went down to the healers to get rezed and i was still grey but didnt know it and he killed me again and this whent on for another 4 or 5 times. then i got tired of it got all my stuff and killed the guard so he would stop attacking me. the rest of the guards i killed that day were becaues they ran up to me and started to attack me not the other way around. and tamla if it wasnt for the gold then what was it for anyway. i used to do guard quests to get gold and some items. i usually only get like 400 gold on average. and i gave you 5k. and if you didnt take the gold may i have it back.

You must be joking.

You shouldn't be running around Britain gray, on purpose. That's what it sounds like you were doing.

I didn't Take the gold, I left it on the ground where you left it. I don't want your blood money. So I guess that is your loss.

AGAIN for the zillionth time, I was doing quests for the VIRTUE. The gold doesn't mean anything to me, I have 6-7 piles of 60k just sitting there. I'm not in it for the gold. WoD isn't about getting gold, haven't you figured that out yet?

My immediate solution is to just not do guard quests if I see that YOU are online. I've switched over to Adventure guild quests instead. My evening was ruined by your little escapade and I would have earned much more than 5k gold (virtue, magic items, and more than 5k gold). I had only just started and was on my second or third quest.

Please I am asking in the future AGAIN please do not kill the guards if you can help it. It is inconsiderate to other players and there are other ways you can lose virtue if you wish.

I still say no guard killing.......
Perhaps Drocket will see this thread and consider a change.
Or even make them tougher so it will make someone think twice before they do anything that would get them killed by a guard.

Herakles......Order Guard

Herakles wrote:I still say no guard killing.......
Perhaps Drocket will see this thread and consider a change.
Or even make them tougher so it will make someone think twice before they do anything that would get them killed by a guard.

Herakles......Order Guard

I have to disagree with this. Don't get me wrong I am all about the virtue. But I had a terrible mishap at the bank one day that involved a chicken (better left untold). I had 5 guards chasing me through town, very ugly scene. Thank goodness Jazzy stepped in and took care of the guards. So my point is sometimes it's a have to type of thing. People do make mistakes.

btw Thanks again Jazzy
~Bronwyn~

Bronwyn wrote:I have to disagree with this. Don't get me wrong I am all about the virtue. But I had a terrible mishap at the bank one day that involved a chicken (better left untold). I had 5 guards chasing me through town, very ugly scene. Thank goodness Jazzy stepped in and took care of the guards. So my point is sometimes it's a have to type of thing. People do make mistakes.

btw Thanks again Jazzy
~Bronwyn~

I would tend to agree with that also Bronwyn, but til something is done about the guard situation.....run, run for your life lol
I think I can run faster than guards.....and its just for 2 minutes or so.

Herakles