Ugh . . . Benson potions

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Postby Joram Lionheart on Sat May 15, 2004 3:42 pm

Marius the Black wrote:Joram, Benson didn't falsely advertise.


Umm . . . that was a joke, Marius. You of all people should have known better than to think I want WoD to become like Congress :)

Just because you didn't get good items this time is no reason to complain. I am certain that you have got items previously that are good, and will certainly do so in the future.


Actually, no I haven't. Not once. But before I used to figure, well it's just bad luck, it happens. I seriously thought doing ten a time would improve my chances of getting something good. I mean you do maps and MIBs because you think you're going to get something good eventually (not necessarily every single time). Same goes for benson potions. I'm almost certain that if I did ten worn/ragged maps in a row I'd get a very nice magic item, definitely something I'd want to keep.

My rant (and yes it was a rant) was not just mere venting. I'm asking a legitimate question here. Are benson potions worth the hassle? Like I said, if I wanted a pile of quality bows I don't need to spend 100k and months of hoarding magic crap. If Drocket tells me that, yes, 90% of the time I'm bound to get mostly junk then I'd be satisfied. I won't use benson potions anymore and I won't have to make the same mistake ever again. If he tells me, however, that it was just some INCREDIBLY streak of bad luck, that at least half the time you would get something decent, then I might reconsider my position.

Reading your post, Joram, I'm not entirely sure what you're wanting, besides complaining. I don't see any suggestions to rectify the situtaion or if even there really is a need to.


I asked a question--"am I missing something here?" My basic premise is outlined in the two preceding paragraphs. I was under the impression that benson potions were a good way to acquire decent magic items, sometimes even great magics. My experience have showned me that is not the case. The kind of items I got from my little experiment were not just bad, they really sucked. Even by newbie standards a bunch of fine bows of quality and might are certified bensons.

So the purpose of this post--rant or no rant--is to settle the issue of benson potions once and for all (for me, anyway). You know the kind of person I am, Marius. I'm staunch pragmatist. I'm practical, I go for what works. I'm interested in results. In real life, for instance, I would never purchase a lottery ticket. I know full well that the chances to win are too darn small to waste my money that way. From my perspective, to squander my money so carelessly is almost criminal.

I'm not about to spend my time and resources on something I have very little hope of obtaining a profitable outcome from. It's illogical to do so. I'm obviously not the gambler type. You'll never catch me going into a casino and spending thousands of dollars on bets (especially knowing that 'the house always wins'). If Drocket tells me Benson is just a gold sink, designed solely with the intent of destroying game money, then I'd think (I HOPE!) I'd be smarter than to continue to have dealings with Benson.

All I see is a "but Mum, I didn't want this! I wanted a 'mega indestructable titan's plate vest of money laundering and ninja steath +50'!"


Then you're seeing what you want to see :) I clearly pointed out that I wasn't expecting to get the most sweet, uber-item ever, but I most definitely was NOT expecting to get what I got either. Like I said, if I had gotten few items of maiming, maybe a couple of power then it would have been ok. So I didn't get the bow of D I was hoping for, big deal, at least I got SOMETHING decent. I mean from TEN potions you'd think you'd get something that's at least "Ok."

I just felt obligated (as usual) to speak up about it.
-M


Hey, it's a free country and all :) So far no one has gotten "offended" by my post (not sure how anyone could, or on what basis). The responses have been mostly 'I agree, benson needs to change' or 'let's fry benson.' Either way, this is a discussion forum and the issue being discussed is prefectly valid. People have ranted about Druid magic before (myself included) and for good reason. Druid magic was in dire need of a good revamp. For me, it had gotten to the point where it just didn't make sense for me to keep the skill anymore. Thanks to Drocket, though, my perception of the Druid skill has changed dramatically. Now I consider my Druid character no longer the 'handicapped,' but one of my best.

If Drocket feels like Benson is just fine the way he is right now, I'm not going to argue. But at least I hope I'll get the answer I am looking for.
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Postby Azalin4savioR on Sun May 16, 2004 5:06 am

After reading all this I would have to agree from my experience Benson isnt worth it, though I have seen some VERY nice items come out of it, its more of a 1 in 500 chance it seems which makes me not want to even bother anymore, I could be using the money and whatever to benifit other characters im building instead of that almost nil chance of getting somethin even half decent let alone really good!
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Postby Daalia on Sun May 16, 2004 10:48 am

7 oils... 7 defense plates up to rugged.

Im happy to notice im not the only one with bad luck!

please tell me this is just bad luck and that the oils actually make some nice items too?


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Postby kaice on Sun May 16, 2004 10:53 am

Well, I've probably done less than 20 Benson oils in the little over a year I've been playing here. Mostly got more Bensons , BUT ....
a) A Durable, Silver Crossbow of Destruction
b) TWO Durable Bows of Power (both of which were created in the same session , using 4 Benson Oils on bows).

Random, random. I think Benson Oils should be considered a lottery, and just like a lottery, they are the fastest and easiest way make a 'big hit' instantly, but each and every oil you use is unique in itself, and the total number of oils you have used, or the number you do at once has zero effect on the chance of something good being created from any one oil. It's like saying ' I've played that same number in the lottery every day for 2 years now and it's a 3-digit number with the odds of 1 out of 999 of hitting and I've played it for 700 days, so it HAS to hit soon'. The answer .. No, it doesn't HAVE to hit, because each days' number is a complete reset of the odds, and has no relationship to the prior or subsequent days' number.

Same with Bensons, each oil you do is a reset of the odds of getting something 'good', and has no knowledge of the last or next oil you may use.
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Postby funkybodal on Sun May 16, 2004 6:08 pm

Everyone is being horrible and un-funky to poor old Benson. He just sits in his hut minding his own business in the Titan-infested woods of Yew. He has signs outside his house warding off intruders and then when you jump in he tells you to **** the **** away, you ****** ******... but do you listen...?

How else would he make a living?

...although...I have this hunch that Benson is really Lord Gizash :shock: enjoying a peaceful retirement and finding an easier way to make your life hell!!!! hahahahahahaha...hah..ha. :?
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Postby Wolfie on Sun May 16, 2004 7:34 pm

I used 10 oils on 5 plate gloves and 5 heater shields today. I got one very nice item- indestructible gloves of guarding and magic resistance. Then a few good items- indy shield of parry, tempered shield of protection, rugged gloves of protection, and fine gloves of magery. The other 5 items are going back to Benson. I think I had pretty good luck with them this time. At least it's much better than when I tried plate arms and got 7 "of defense" with prefixes ranging from none to durable.
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Postby Trakas on Mon May 17, 2004 5:43 am

I have only ever used 10 potions and although most of my items are junk i have gotten a few decent items my first benson ever was a tempered katana of Destruction and my 2nd most recent one was a Kite Sheild of Fort most the other stuff has been so so or headed straight back to benson.

I have no issue playing the odds with benson i can collect 10k in a very short time so big woop either that or im spending it on other junk.
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Postby Celeste Kendreyl on Mon May 17, 2004 12:42 pm

Holy Titan-spit, Whiner Man! I mean, seriously! OMFG! The only thing MORE hillarious than this POST, is the fact that, had it been started by a "whiner", it would have been met only with flames and sarcasm. I, myself posted a suggestion a month or more ago regarding Benson potions and their uselessness. My post, however, met a fiery death at some of the same hands who seem so sympathetic here in this thread... pathetic is right... Oh, but *I* was whining in my post, right? Get a friggin grip! If this isn't just about the most appalling whine session anyone has ever posted on these forums, then I think none of you have any place flaming anyone else, ever, in any medium anywhere... Hell, at least my post had a few possible suggestions to make the potions more viable... all this is doing is bitching about em like a snot-nosed little brat... And I can be called a whiner?! LOL Like I said, get a friggin clue people... I am so glad I have moved on...
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Postby Bayn on Mon May 17, 2004 1:12 pm

Celeste Kendreyl wrote: ... My post, however, met a fiery death at some of the same hands who seem so sympathetic here in this thread.


Hmmm, odd isn't it? I guess everyone just hates you or something. Probably the whole world is out to get you! Be afraid, be very afraid.
lol

I am so glad I have moved on...


We are too!

Regarding the extraordinarily low probability of Benson potions producing anything worthwhile: as others have stated, 10K is such a modest amount that it doesn't really matter. It is like a 1 in 100 million chance of winning a major lottery, you'll probably never win but does it hurt to plunk down your dollar to buy a ticket? :)
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Postby Ehran on Mon May 17, 2004 3:16 pm

It came to me in the middle of the night. I sat bolt upright in bed and cried out Eureka. If we had a provision in the coding for benson that each additional potion purchased within a given amount of time by a single player had a modest little bonus to the quality of the item made tacked on we could enjoy both the benefits of Benson and maintain our vast hoards of minor magics. :roll:

Face it folks Benson is exactly like playing the lotto. the odds suck mightily about getting anything nice but it really doesn't cost anything to play so if you do get lucky you are ahead of the game so to speak.
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Postby Joram Lionheart on Mon May 17, 2004 4:52 pm

Celeste Kendreyl wrote: The only thing MORE hillarious than this POST, is the fact that, had it been started by a "whiner", it would have been met only with flames and sarcasm.


If you cry "wolf" one too many times, people stop paying attention to your threats. Take your posts for example. The first time you told us what and who we were (thanks, we didn't know before!) hardly anyone flamed you. But you just couldn't let it go, and after a few months of categorizing people under "cliques" (your very own construction, I might add), people have gotten real sick of hearing you whine about the same thing over and over, and over again.
Besides, people tend to grow to dislike you after you tell them they're evil because they failed to satisfy your greed. And let's don't forget all the times you've come to the boards to complain about things we could have hardly done anything about.

I, myself posted a suggestion a month or more ago regarding Benson potions and their uselessness. My post, however, met a fiery death at some of the same hands who seem so sympathetic here in this thread...


I'm sorry I couldn't find that thread. You're going to have to point it out to me. Your proposal about Benson potions was replied to by Drocket and no one else. I didn't see any flaming there.

If this isn't just about the most appalling whine session anyone has ever posted on these forums,


Oh, I've seen you done a lot worse :) Hey, at least I did not personally attack anyone on this thread (except for Benson, that is :P). I can't remember when was the ast time you posted where you were NOT attacking someone, whether that'd be our Admins, our players, our the whole friggin shard in general. Even now that specific players are responding to your protests, you STILL keep blaming them on "them." If you disagree with me, I would think 'Celeste Kendreyl is disagreeing with me.' If anyone disagrees with you it's those darn cliques, them evil players of WoD who are "persecuting" you because you have the truth! (and we, of course, have nothing of value to offer, as if our arguments lacked logical sense because they did not come from you). Umm, I think I've seen that conspiracy-theory mentality elsewhere . . .

Then I think none of you have any place flaming anyone else, ever, in any medium anywhere...


None of you. There you go again Celeste. Haven't you heard that all generalizations are evil? How would you feel if I said "all women are blabbermounths" or "all blacks are poor" or "all newbies are stupid?" Are my claims true just because I really really believe I'm correct? Those statements are assertions from IGNORANCE, and completely UNFAIR to those people
And I agree, the world would be a better place without flames, but what does that have to do with this post? Or are you perhaps just pissed off that people really dislike you for treating them with disrespect so often?

Hell, at least my post had a few possible suggestions to make the potions more viable...


And someone flamed you for that? Where? How? I didn't see any flaming in your post.

all this is doing is bitching about em like a snot-nosed little brat...


Really? I asked questions, presented evidence, and made a point. What is the purpose of your post? Please do tell. What would calling everyone that's participated in this thread "snot-nosed brats" is supposed to accomplish? So we think Benson needs to change. What point are you trying to make here? That you don't like it when people flame you for being an annoying brat yourself? I'm sorry Celeste but that has nothing to do with us. If some people dislike you this much there must be a good reason for that.

And I can be called a whiner?!


If there was any question before, this last post of yours really cleared up anyone's doubts.

Like I said, get a friggin clue people... I am so glad I have moved on...


Oh yeah, we can tell you have moved on. No one so much as mentioned your name here but then you came and made this post. Yup, sure sounds like you have moved on.
It also sounds like you have learned nothing and you, of course, are always right (about everything) while all of us evil clique-members are wrong. Now what do you call people who think they (and only them) are always right?
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Postby funkybodal on Mon May 17, 2004 6:11 pm

Celeste Kendreyl...who's that? :|
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Postby Bayn on Mon May 17, 2004 6:52 pm

Joram Lionheart wrote:
I, myself posted a suggestion a month or more ago regarding Benson potions and their uselessness. My post, however, met a fiery death at some of the same hands who seem so sympathetic here in this thread...


I'm sorry I couldn't find that thread. You're going to have to point it out to me. Your proposal about Benson potions was replied to by Drocket and no one else. I didn't see any flaming there.


That is correct, Joram. http://theworldofdreams.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6328&highlight=benson is the thread where Celeste posted about Benson potions. Only Drocket replied, no flames, no nothing. Not sure why Celeste feels her post "met a fiery death at some of the same hands who seem so sympathetic here in this thread." There is obviously no substantiation for that claim.
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Postby Atei on Mon May 17, 2004 7:42 pm

Ehran wrote:
Face it folks Benson is exactly like playing the lotto. the odds suck mightily about getting anything nice but it really doesn't cost anything to play so if you do get lucky you are ahead of the game so to speak.


Good point, Ehran. If we treat it as a lottery, then it's not a big deal. It's all in the perception...
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Postby Bayn on Mon May 17, 2004 7:49 pm

Atei wrote:
Ehran wrote:
Face it folks Benson is exactly like playing the lotto. the odds suck mightily about getting anything nice but it really doesn't cost anything to play so if you do get lucky you are ahead of the game so to speak.


Good point, Ehran. If we treat it as a lottery, then it's not a big deal. It's all in the perception...


WAaaaAAAaaahhh! I said that TOO!!! :evil:
It is like a 1 in 100 million chance of winning a major lottery, you'll probably never win but does it hurt to plunk down your dollar to buy a ticket?


But you only credit Ehran for that concept. I think this is a perfect example of a click! *clik* Wait, no, I mean a clique! Is that French? Hmmm...if it is French we'd probably pronounce it "klih-cue" here in southern Indiana. Boy howdy, you should hear how some people pronounce jalapeno or tortilla. :shock:



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