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here i was fishing ,happly killing monsters.
then wham i see death crys all over the place.
seems someone accidently cast an area spell at the bank and the guard went nuts.
so i figured i would go help and wth, i have killed the guard at the bank before when someone has turned grey there by accident,not that i normaly go around killing guards they have there uses.
so i geab my hammer pick and attack one second later the whole world goes black and and im on the ground dead .
since when the hell are the guards insty kill and why wasnt this posted?
i really see no reason why the guards are insty kill,this will make it lame during a town quest or invasion the guards wil just kill off the monbs,now if its only the guard at the bank thats another story ,but then why wasnt it posted in changes as players have a warning not to help a person at the bank who made a mistake?

What happens if a mage casts magic arrow to unfreeze someone, turns grey, recalls to Brit Bank and gets insta-killed because these guards are on steroids?

There are legitimate reasons to be grey, and until the guards have the intelligence to figure out who is "evil" and who isn't, they shouldn't be insta-killing.

yep my point .
my necro has been grey before and forgot and recalled intot he castle .ha thats real fun dieing by 10 guards:>.
another time my necro was buffing with lich arond some guards and i was talking to my wife and hit plauge by mistake and whamneedless to say i ran from brit to minoc killing guards !

now some might say well pay attention or when you buff with lich do it away from twon.
sorery lich might kill me when i cast it so i buff with it around the healers so i can get rezzed

I seriously think the guard in front of the bank needs to go. I don't know who complained that the town crier got killed too often but I'd much rather have the crier die than innocent players. Going grey is just too darn easy, anyway. Just last night a few people died unnecessarily because they were trying to help a another player. You cannot reason with guards. You can't explain to them that you are not a criminal but were merely trying to help. If guards randomly insta-kill now, I shudder to think how many innocent players are going to suffer because of it.

About recalling to the castle while grey . . .

I (obviously) have the castle as my recall point as well, but I intentionally marked it on top of the castle walls (right above the front gate) just in case I forget and recall home while grey. Of course, there are about 2-3 guards immediately in sight of that particular spot but they'd never be able to get to me and I can run away to a secluded area while I wait for my tag to wear off.

Oh yeah, use .fix to get down (you don't have to run ALL the way around the corner to the nearest stairs).

I have to agree with Fitz,Atei and Joram.I don't like the idea of insta kill guards.The guards lack the intelligence to discern why a players grey and it is too easy to go grey.

For example:

During the Corona quest Corona was at Brit bank.He started casting fire elem after fire elem.Naturally my mage cast mass dispel in an attempt to get rid of them.In the process she also dispelled a couple player casted elems and went grey.Before I knew what had happened a guard was attacking me.And I can't count how many times I have been grey casting magic arrow to free players from spider webs and para spells,then without thinking I recalled or gated in grey.How many young players(heck experienced players as well)have mis-cast spells?

Now before anyone brings out that other shards have insta kill guards,I would like to point out that other shards don't have death taxes,so if you die to a guard,no harm no foul.If we are to now have insta kill guards then one of two things needs to take place.Either we do away with the death tax system or we have guards with some measure of intelligence that can discern why a player is grey.

instakill guards if that's actually what's happening seem a tad much. uber i can see as you really should have the option of running away from the guard.

death taxes are fairly trivial amounts of money in any case (absolute worst case is about 35k i believe) so abolishing the death tax system doesn't seem called for imho.

are all the guards like that now or just the guards by the bank?

death taxes are fairly trivial amounts of money in any case

Not to a young player it isn't.

i also posted this someplace else, but this place seems more apropriate for it.
while i was at the bank with a few friedns, i was practicing my necromancy. and without realising it was a 'bad' spell, i casted nox on a friend in good humor. i didnt even see what happend and all of a sudden my screen was black and i was dead.
and of course, my friends Gaeron and marius being the loving guys they are *giggls at the thought of marius the black being loving*
began to kill the guard so that i may return to the bank in peace in the future. henna and one other, whos name i could not remember also joined in to help. and it took Gaeron Hale, Henna, Marius, and the other player who was a chaos guard, 1 hour (and im not exaggerating) to kill the guard, as well as them dying numerous times.
i would have to agree that the guard is a little rediculas.

Liselle wrote:and it took Gaeron Hale, Henna, Marius, and the other player who was a chaos guard, 1 hour (and im not exaggerating) to kill the guard, as well as them dying numerous times.
i would have to agree that the guard is a little rediculas.

That night was cake, Liselle, compared to last night. The guards are even more strong, if it's possible. At least that night, though it was super strong, we could run and we could fight it.. it just took a realy long time to kill it. None of this getting killed in under a second. It's not fun to keep getting instakilled over and over because the guard does not forget you no matter how blue you are, when no one else can kill it either, and everyone just keeps dying. All for an accident.


*goes back to sticking pins in her 'Amanda the Guard' voodoo doll*

lol this is too funny....and I'm glad I havent been on the past few days or I may have been a deadun from the guards. But the same people who complained about Joka killing guards are the same ones complaining about insta-kill guards.
Perhaps these guards were installed to teach someone a lesson?
And what I dont get is, if someone was killed with one hit, why are they being rezzed right in front of the guard? lol
And.......whoever got killed originally, they didnt tell the rezzer that this guard killed with one hit? Perhaps this information would have saved a few lives.
I dont mean to sound sarcastic but if you all would read your posts to Joka in the Friendship Hall forums and read them here, you would see how silly it sounds. I totally agree that there shouldnt be insta-kill guards but on the same note, dont rip into Joka. To me, it just sounds as if someone was answering the posts to those who complained about Joka......

Nonetheless.......I apologize everyone, but its just funny reading the same post from both forums. One complaining about guard killing players and the next about player killing guards hehe

Herakles

Herakles wrote:I dont mean to sound sarcastic but if you all would read your posts to Joka in the Friendship Hall forums and read them here, you would see how silly it sounds. I totally agree that there shouldnt be insta-kill guards but on the same note, dont rip into Joka. To me, it just sounds as if someone was answering the posts to those who complained about Joka.....

Actually, only one person said "killing guards is pathetic." Everyone else agreed that guard-killing is necessary at times, but hardly something to make a habit of especially after you've been asked to stop. Joka's thread is about politeness and consideration for other players. Going on a guard-killing spree is bound to mess up people's guard quests. That's inconsiderate.

The other extreme is to say killing guards is bad under any circumstance and anyone that tries should get insta-killed. Again, very bad idea. That's punishing the innocent with the guilty.

I don't think most of the people who agreed killing guards is an unnecessary way to gain negative virtue, would have suggested it should be outlawed in this way. Perhaps if there was a way to teach guards the difference between the PC that actually ATTACKS them versus the one that just happened to go grey in their presence.

Again, Joka's thread is more about avoiding rudeness among players. If you know people are doing guard quests, and they ask you to stop, please comply, if only for politeness sake. I honestly don't care if people want to murder every guard in the world so long as it doesn't affect other players (but unfortunately, it often does).

Herakles wrote:lol this is too funny....and I'm glad I havent been on the past few days or I may have been a deadun from the guards. But the same people who complained about Joka killing guards are the same ones complaining about insta-kill guards.
Perhaps these guards were installed to teach someone a lesson?
And what I dont get is, if someone was killed with one hit, why are they being rezzed right in front of the guard? lol
And.......whoever got killed originally, they didnt tell the rezzer that this guard killed with one hit? Perhaps this information would have saved a few lives.
I dont mean to sound sarcastic but if you all would read your posts to Joka in the Friendship Hall forums and read them here, you would see how silly it sounds. I totally agree that there shouldnt be insta-kill guards but on the same note, dont rip into Joka. To me, it just sounds as if someone was answering the posts to those who complained about Joka......

Nonetheless.......I apologize everyone, but its just funny reading the same post from both forums. One complaining about guard killing players and the next about player killing guards hehe

Herakles

i didnt say anything about it...

Perhaps this example might help everyone to see things a bit clearer.

A group of us had an audience with the queens guard about a plot to kidnap her.One player there was totally disrespectful by having zombies.He was repeatedly asked to release them and refused.Finally a mage cast mass dispel to get rid of them.Upon doing so she was grey and the guards in the castle went crazy coming after her.Then a few of us cast heal on her to keep her alive and were also grey.

Perhaps these guards were installed to teach someone a lesson?

Now do you think we would have deserved to be insta killed for our crime?The crime of showing our queen respect.If it was to occur now,that is exactly what would happen.

As I said in my earlier post,until the guards can have some measure of intelligence and know why a player is grey,insta kill guards simply shouldn't be.

Yes to Joram and Kasia......I agree that maybe there should be a way that guards can differinciate between bad and good. Unfortunately they cant and I'm not so sure that Drocket can change something like that. Unless of course he can make the bad bad have red names and the not so bad bad grey names and the guards dont attack greys but attack the reds.

Herakles