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Brainstorm!

There's been some hub-bub about people not being able to get to quests, or not being informed of quests. Well, I was suddenly reminded of a quite useful ability (dot command) from a previous shard that seemed to work well

.quest

Basically, I think it was a custom recall that a Seer could set to a location, and it automatically worked for everyone, and it was able to get them to the quest. Now, I understand there might be objectives from a 'world believability' point of view, but I'm much more interested, at this point, to hear the pros, cons and technical issues that surround this idea.

I believe it's certainly a most interesting one, and could be handy for Seers to get "response" to quests a lot more quicker. However, I leave it to other players to have their say on this idea.

-M

I've faced the same thing, .quest and teleported to some location where is the the happening. I liked it, there was also announcement on "worldwide broadcast message"

Or a global message, that would allow all that wanted to join to meet at the bank...where most are started from.

What about the guy who gives the news, isn't there one in every town?

Good point, simon, but what if you're not *in* a town when something goes down? There's no town criers down in Hythloth or Wind...

Celeste, that my dear is what friends are for, granted you are in my clique, I would let you know some of us select oldbies were questing. Of course since I and the other older players would first discuss it then decide that since you and the rest didn't fit in we should do the quest ourselves, I mean seriously, as everyone knows that's how the World of Dreams folks that have been here through the history of the shard have acted since I can remember.
PS, I know a good doctor that could help remove the foot from your mouth should you require any assistance. Though he is in his own clique....

The above post was sarcasm for those of you who are to stupid to recognize it. I do think the .quest idea is a good one, and it could even perhaps be something you could do when you log on to check if something is running. Having no experience with how it works I would surmise it to operate in that manner.

Oh and Celeste, you can join my clique if you want, at the moment I am the only one in it but if you joined mine we could ignore lots more together and maybe you could even teach me how to make ignorant statements that enrage a peaceful setting a bit more.

Whoa! Whoa! "Ignorant statements that enrage a peaceful setting?" Firstly, I have only stated FACT, not fiction. Ignorance is: The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed. I was WELL informed of how people felt about the issue before I posted about it, which is WHY I posted about it. Now, cry all you want and think I'm bashing or whatever, but the simple truth of the matter is this: there are a LOT more people on the shard who feel EXACTLY the same way I do about the issue than there are who feel that there's nothing wrong in this little World of Dreams... and they simply wish to remain flame retardant on the issue.
Over the past several weeks I have been the subject of countless flames, and even individual POSTS about me. There were a ton of folks who messaged me saying they felt the same way, but I wasn't about to post their names to the public, as they had sent me "private" messages saying so, and therefore, I assume, wished to remain anonymous on the subject. It wasn't for me to decide that everyone should know that "so-and-so" and "so-and-so" agreed with me 100% on the issues- I figured if they wanted their names out there, they would have posted a "Here, here!" or something. Unfortunately, it seems, they realized they would be flamed just as hard as I was by the select individuals who seem to make up the "forum mentality" here.
Mostly what I was complaining about was the fact that nobody had been giving anyone else a chance when it came to quests and such. The seers here seemed pick the largest group of people hunting together (which, btw, I tend to try to avoid) and set a quest upon them. This, of course, makes sense, but the problem was that none of those involved had taken the time to message anyone else on the shard that something was taking place, and so most of us got left out, only to read about what a "great time" everyone who attended had in someone's post about it on the forums. I didn't feel this was quite the "friendly" attitude the shard boasted on the Top 200 site, and it made me mad that those people could so ardently defend themselves by saying "we don't do that" when so many people agreed with me on the subject, and felt EXACTLY the same way about it.
Basically, I knew from the get-go, and from prior posts that I would get retaliation from those who would be defending their actions, and I knew some would feel the need to flame. I took the heat, and apparently, from the mass of pm's I received, was a sort of "spokesperson" for a larger group who wished to remain both anonymous, and non-char-broiled. To me, the flames I took, and continue to take are nothing compared to the satisfaction of having those silent masses get their voices heard, if only through me. Eventually things will improve, or the shard will die. It's quite simple. I've seen it many times before, and will continue to see it in the future when narrowmindedness overwhelms common courtesy in these matters. Flame on all you want. People will still be messaging ME saying they agree with me, while those who feel the need to flame will eventually run out of kindling...

Celeste Kendreyl wrote:I was WELL informed of how people felt about the issue before I posted about it, which is WHY I posted about it. Now, cry all you want and think I'm bashing or whatever, but the simple truth of the matter is this: there are a LOT more people on the shard who feel EXACTLY the same way I do about the issue than there are who feel that there's nothing wrong in this little World of Dreams.

This seems rather unlikely really, according to the April playtimes there were some 295 active accounts and it is possible that some people might be neutral on the issue so unless you have 25-30% of that number as supporting your position I doubt that this assessment is true.

I think you are a liar. I also further think you are full of crap. Further I feel you are extremely ignorant and to quote 3 or 4 people saying that LOTS of people tell you it's messed up is proof of your ignorance. Why would anyone tell YOU of all people that things are messed up, are you some magical diety that has taken up the torch of reform? Or do you quote non-existant people in an effort to further your cause since it could never be verified since they wanted to stay annon...oh wait it just dawned on me they are part of your clique aren't they? I will say I believe cliques are alive and well, and further enhanced by your ramblings. Lemme tell you buncha whining NEWBS or whatever you want to be called, the WoD, MINE, ours and if you would shut up and pull your head out of your A$$, yours, was here before you got here and guess what, until YOU, and the few idiots that ramble with you arrived it was the World of Dreams, now you with your "clique" talk and unplayable characters and whatever else you find to be wrong with the shard this week, it is turning into the WoN! or World of Nightmares!
Another thing I will add, as this is what the true spirit of WoD is in my eyes, regardless of how I feel about your postings, I would still do all I can to assist you in game, I hold no grudges. Even Simon knows I may ignore him often but since we are all family, actualy one big "clique" there are people you dislike and those you love but regardless we are all family. I am easy to appease, should you wish to I could care les either way but would prefer you to learn, quite stirring up $hit you have no buisness starting. Each and every one of you joined this shard the way it was, if you don't like it here, by all means GET THE HELL OUT!!!! Otherwise shut the hell up!

Azzo,

as empassioned as you are in the spirit of WoD and the countless hours you have spent here, I find myself a little upset with the way you went about giving your point to Celeste. Granted, we (you and I) may or may not, disagree with her point of view, but it is unfair for her to take that kind of abuse, thinly vieled with the "well, I'll help you in the game anyway" remark.

An abusive family is not a postive family environment: and I would encourage you to well remember that.

Celeste, at this point, anonymous supporters which you claim to support your arguments, have no credit. As real as the may (or may not) be, there is no way they bring any weight into your argument because we cannot be certain of their identities - or even if they exist at all -, and thus we cannot be sure just how acute your opinions are. If I was to say you suggested 'LOTS' of people agreed with you, the least you could offer is perhaps a number, for that would show us at least, how many supporters for your viewpoint that you had.

Apparently, as I've been in WoD, there seems to be a lot of uproar about 'cliques', and I myself am copping a lot of rudeness about it. It was not my intention to increase the frequency and misuse of this term within WoD. The entire point of my (apparently failed) essay was to highlight my stance on the matter, and for Celeste to clear up her viewpoint. Now that she has, we find that the clique matter is a non-issue, and really the matter comes down to quest ettiquite: and thus this thread.

I would encourage everyone who has jumped off the rails and gone a bit silly with this 'clique' business to stop and think for a moment just how unneccesary it is. We cannot call ourselves a friendly, family environment or community when we cannot even deal with basic issues in a calm and rational light. I must say that I'm personally disappointed with Azzo's take on the matter, because I always considered him a little bit more above that. However, I am certain of one of two things:

1. He will flame the hell out of me, and ignore me in game.

or;

2. He's really just having a blast with his humour(that I've never understood) and is making a big joke out of it all, to which I apologise to him profusely.

Hopefully, it's option number two. However, even if you were the King of the Shard, Azzo, I can daresay that you've no special right to abuse Celeste for her viewpoint. I cannot in good conscience say that is fair on her, no matter how we might disagree with her posts. Certainly, I myself was flustered with the tone of her posts, but she has repeatedly and often attempted to rectify that, often only to jeers and continual harrassment. I felt compelled to speak with her when I was in the right frame of mind, and I am glad that I did, because I see that we were all mistaken on the issue of 'cliques'.

Let's all take a deep breath, have a break from the 'clique' issue (which isn't an issue at all, really), and move on. There's nothing constructive coming from all this harrassment and flaming from player to player, and I believe we don't need to pursue it any further.

-M

After taking a deep breath, I gotta say I still feel the same way, if it upsets ya well grow thicker skin.
Or as stated before, in not so many words, Don't let the door hitcha where the good lord splitcha!
BTW, I really do like the .quest idea, it would eliminate many of the posts about not finding quests or knowing they were there and missing them. Oh and I may not be king of the shard lol now there's a thought lol, but I am de king, it's good to be de king! now give it up for the queen! Sire..you look like the piss boy!

Celeste Kendreyl wrote: I was WELL informed of how people felt about the issue before I posted about it, which is WHY I posted about it.

Not flaming you here, dear, but you probably heard a few people who wanted to complain. Any shard, any organization, any anything will always have malcontents or those that just want to hop on an intriguing bandwagon. Even if they don't fit into those categories, don't assume they all feel exactly the same way. Just because a few people agree with you doesn't make you "well" informed. Not denigrating you, hon, just suggesting that all may not be as it appears.

Brainstorm: I suggest a poll!

...there are a LOT more people on the shard who feel EXACTLY the same way I do about the issue than there are who feel that there's nothing wrong in this little World of Dreams...

Ooopsie, getting touchy now? little World of Dreams? heh.

I doubt there is a single person with a player account that feels everything is just ducky with the shard. That is because everyone has different opinions of what should happen, when it should happen, how it should work and who gets what.

You may have heard from a few people who agree there are changes that could be made. They might support your position, whatever it might be. But, that doesn't necessarily equal "LOTS".

There were a ton of folks who messaged me saying they felt the same way, but I wasn't about to post their names to the public, as they had sent me "private" messages saying so, and therefore, I assume, wished to remain anonymous on the subject.

First "LOTS" and now "tons". Hmmm. Since there is no real evidence, we have to take those claims under advisement. Perhaps they are just messaging you and hoping you'll start claiming stuff and get flamed. It is a thought. *shrug* Maybe you are a victim of a conspiracy, not that I want to get into conspiracy theories. Just something to consider.

Unfortunately, it seems, they realized they would be flamed just as hard as I was by the select individuals who seem to make up the "forum mentality" here.

I think it is the way you phrase things. We talked about that the other day. Simon digs his own grave quite often too but Simon isn't a bad or evil or even trollish person, in my humble opinion. He just doesn't phrase himself well.

when so many people agreed with me on the subject, and felt EXACTLY the same way about it.

You've used the terms LOTS, TONS and SO MANY. How many people are you talking about precisely? You also have said 100% and EXACTLY. Are you sure they agree on a tight one to one with you?

To me, the flames I took, and continue to take are nothing compared to the satisfaction of having those silent masses get their voices heard, if only through me.

Gosh, you are brave and compassionate. You are also forthright and a crusader for justice. I wish I could be like you...sorta.

Eventually things will improve, or the shard will die.

Don't make any heavy bets on that. The shard has been around a long time without the benefit of your crusading presence and I imagine it will be around for a long time in the future.

People will still be messaging ME saying they agree with me

It is really important that people agree with YOU, isn't it?

I don't think I flamed you in this post, I wasn't totally sympathetic but not rude as I often are when I lose patience with attitudes. I do admit to a bit of sarcasm but it is REALLY hard for me not too.
*sigh*

Marius the Black wrote:
However, even if you were the King of the Shard, Azzo, I can daresay that you've no special right to abuse Celeste for her viewpoint.

He told me he was!!! Did he lie to me after all? Why am I paying him 100K gold a week if he isn't the King?

hmm

*looks befuddled*

I wish I had a gold piece for every time that someone has stated that if we (the WoD and its inhabitants) didn't change, that it would be the end of our Shard.

If I did, I would have, um, well..

A lot of gold pieces!

hehe


Oh, and as an afterthougt:

I don't often adhere to what Azzo says, and I think his delivery leaves much to be desired. With that said: I agree one hundred percent with his post(s). I have long been a proponent of players playing within the world that we have. That does not mean that we can't have change, but I leave change to those who are in charge of change (Drocket, to be precise. He is actually pretty damn good at it).

I have a huge problem with whiners. Call it a "tic" or whatever, but I can't stand those who whine. If you don't like the world as we have it. Suggest change through the proper channels. If it gets changed, that is the perogative of those in charge of change. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

But don't come to the rest of the Shard with your whining about how you can't play this way. Or You are being intentionally left out. If you can't play the way things are. Leave. It is easy. Really.