An issue that needs to be disscused

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An issue that needs to be disscused

Postby Baldo on Mon Jan 05, 2004 11:20 pm

Now I personally don't know what is happening but ever since Christmas I have taken place in the personal watching of 3 (that is right 3) Dragons going wild in front of the Bank. Every time I watched as it said *Looks Hungry* and no more than 5 minutes after it goes wild and starts trying to kill people. What is happening here? And what is even weirder is everytime this happens the owner is convenientely gone. Can something be done about this or are we going to continually have to kill dragons out in front of the bank when they are not taken care of? I have no real problem with this but my problem is is I can see one of our new people coming and getting killed without question. I don't want to see this happen. :|
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Postby Atei on Tue Jan 06, 2004 5:42 pm

I believe most dragon partners (you don't really OWN a dragon--it's much more of a working relationship) are very considerate about making sure that their friend is well fed. There will of course be exceptions to this, but most treat their partners with too much respect to leave them parked outside in the snow.

I would like to humbly suggest that dragons not be parked in front of the bank except for short periods of time. If you're going in to do bank business, sell loot, check auctions or whatever that doesn't take an extended period of time, park your buddy out front and all's well with the world. If you are there to scribe or for some other long, involved process, please park your buddy elsewhere or stable him/her. This would reduce the chance of a younger player, henchies, guards or the town crier getting killed because the partner dragon got grumpy about his/her stomach growling.

Just a thought...
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Postby Bayn on Tue Jan 06, 2004 6:42 pm

* as Wyspr*

As a dragon companion myself, I routinely do a quick Lore check on my dragon at intervals to make sure she's well fed. It is simple, easy and takes only a moment. I always carry a couple hundred raw ribs in a waterproof/odorproof pack in my main pack as well so she never has to feel a pang of hunger.

Perhaps the Gods can rewire dragon behavior so that if it goes wild, it seeks deliberately seeks out its selfish companion and only attacks them? I imagine if someone was killed by their dragon once or twice due to their own base neglect, they'd mend their ways.

And, of course, Atei's thought of parking dragons only briefly outside the bank is an excellent one as well!
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Postby Ehran on Tue Jan 06, 2004 10:55 pm

heck of an idea bayn. have the beast port to the "master" and take out enough chunks to solve the hunger thing.
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Postby simon on Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:14 pm

I've seen a wild dragon take down its master in front of the bank, nearly got me and did get a few others before things could be brought under control.

perhaps them dragons could just be done away with, i hate them on seer quests, well i just hate them :twisted:
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Postby Baldo on Tue Jan 06, 2004 11:20 pm

Well if we didn't have the ablity to tame dragons then who would want to be a tamer??? I have no problems with people that want to use dragons, I just want to see them properly taken care of. But of course I totally agree with you that they are a bothersome when on a seer quest because well... it just takes the fun out of beating the crap out of the enemies yourself. :twisted:
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Postby Joram Lionheart on Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:36 am

Maybe we could get a "replacement" creature for dragons, something that isn't so . . . big. Like nightmares perhaps, except nightmares are not as powerful as Great dragons
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Postby Belle Remings on Wed Jan 07, 2004 12:50 am

I for one love the dragons. I do however agree that they should not be left alone in front of the bank for a long period of time unattended. My dragon usually is with me constantly. On ocassion I have had to leave him for a short time (like maybe five minutes or less) but I always make sure that he is fed before I leave him and do check on him when I am talking or scribbing in the bank. It only takes a minute and keeps them from going wild when you check on them and it says the dragon is hungry. You just have to feed it and he is happy again. Yes I do agree that something needs to be done about the dragons going wild at the bank. Maybe a ban on that player using a dragon for a while would also teach them to take care of their dragons. If you want to own a dragon you have the responsibility of taking care of it, and if you don't then you should have to pay some kind of consequences for not taking care of it. Well that is just my two cents worth on the subject. As for replacing the greats with something else I would not want to see that happen. It is hard work taming them and we should be able to keep them. :)
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Postby Bayn on Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:39 am

A ban on the unattentive owners is a good idea but I still like the idea of having them get chomped by their own dragons.
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Postby Joram Lionheart on Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:24 am

Belle Remings wrote:As for replacing the greats with something else I would not want to see that happen. It is hard work taming them and we should be able to keep them. :)


I don't particularly dislike having a Great but it would be nice if there were other choices for tamers besides dragons (and I don't just mean more shades of color :)). The "model T" dragons have become so standard that tamers would more appropiately be called dragon-handlers.
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Postby Bayn on Wed Jan 07, 2004 2:32 am

There are LOTS of beasts that can be tamed, Great Dragons are just at the top of the feeding chain.
Sometimes, as Wyspr, I leave my dragon at home (well fed!) and just ride out on my nightmare to do some hunting. NiteyNite doesn't kick butt the same as my dragons do but we make a pretty good pair.
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Postby Joram Lionheart on Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:25 am

Why would anyone bother using anything but the best? Nightmares are just for looks. Unlike Greats, nightmares don't last nearly as long nor do as much damage, not to mention having to dismount to "use" it (supposing I'm riding it). I myself can kill one in just a few seconds of melee combat.

The nightmares in OSI were creatures so sought after that anyone with seen riding a one would be by that fact alone feared and respected. Here, people can rarely tell if you're riding one or not, and if you are it's hardly impressive.
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Postby Wynne on Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:53 am

Of course, the dragons aren't the problem here. The problem is the tamers. Maybe monster AI can be modified so that they won't stay or stand guard within guard zones? This would prevent them from going wild anywhere near the bank, but I don't know if it's feasible scriptwise. A challenge, Dear Drocket?
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Postby Bayn on Wed Jan 07, 2004 1:31 pm

Joram Lionheart wrote:Why would anyone bother using anything but the best?


Why would anyone want to handicap themselves slightly to give themselves more of a challenge?
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Postby Atei on Wed Jan 07, 2004 3:50 pm

I was actually thinking of Belle Remings and Lyllwen Green when I mentioned the "considerate" owners. :D

Here is another thought: what if the "partner" of the dragon gets suspended for a time (increasing time as more incidents occur, ban if the problem doesn't get fixed) when the dragon goes wild?

If you knew you would get suspended for three days if your dragon went wild and killed anything, I think you would make darn sure your dragon was well fed and not parked at the Bank. I know I would.

I also don't think this should just be for dragons. Lesser wyrms poison, phase spiders cast, drakes do damage, frost drakes can kill (not me, mind you, but a freshman).

This may seem harsh, but think about it: if you take it upon yourself to kill owned henchies or a fellow player, what happens to you? The same argument could be made for someone being careless enough to not take care of their dragon or other animals.

More random thoughts on an early Wednesday morning...
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