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Conspiracy theories are fascinating but usually products of deluded, unhappy minds. I find it amusing that 'Guest' feels a need to stay anonymous. Where are your convictions? The 'net is full of garbage, thanks for bringing a bit of it here to remind us of the paranoia and intolerance that permeates human society.

I just finished reading another book:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... 4?v=glance

You can read it here though:
<a href="http://www.rense.com/general31/lifeof.htm">
The Life Of An American Jew In Racist-Marxist Israel
</a>

Written by Jack Bernstein (who is Jewish and lived in Israel for a time) it corroborates the view of the Zionist movement expressed in "Stranger than Fiction" and actually paints an even more distrurbing of Israel than I had imagined. It Covers history of Israeli's formation, politics, wars, racism, economy, subterfuge, religion (or lack thereof), arms trade, drug trade and the grave danger America is in.

Though it was written back in 1984 it comments on events that are only now occuring:

It is pretty sad that to please the Zionist power in America, U.S. government officials are willing to sacrifice the lives of American boys to save Zionist/Marxist Israel.
Young men already in the U.S. armed forces and their parents, grandparents, brothers and sisters should especially be concerned about Israeli precipitated wars and attempts to involve the U.S. in these wars, because if necessary to save Israel in one of their acts of aggression, the U.S. government will bow to the American Zionists and send American boys into combat -- the boys will have no choice but to fight on the side of Zionist/Marxist Israel.
If American boys die in a future Mideast war, you will know that those responsible will be the Zionist Jews in America and the weak-spined politicians in Washington, D.C. who bow to their Zionist lords.

and

A WARNING TO MR., MRS., MS., and MISS AMERICA
The Marxist Zionists who rule Israel and the Marxist Zionists in America have been trying to trick the U.S. into a Mideast war on the side of Israel. They almost succeeded when U.S. Marines were sent to Lebanon in 1982. The blood of the 250 American Marines who died in Lebanon is dripping from the hands of the Israeli and American Zionists.
If more Americans are not made aware of the truth about Zionist/Marxist Israel, you can be sure that, sooner or later, those atheists who claim to be God's Chosen People will trick the U.S. into a Mideast war against the Arabs who in the past have always been America's best friends.

and

What military action the Soviet bolshevik Jews and the Israeli Zionist/bolshevik Jews will take against the Arab countries only the TRIANGLE and God can know. It is likely they will strike at the Arab oil fields first.
But whatever action is taken, one thing is certain -- the LOSERS will be:
The American people.
The Arab people.
The Sephardic Jews and those Ashkenazi Jews who are for justice and freedom.
The only WINNERS will be:
The Zionist international bankers and the Zionist/bolshevik (communist/socialist) Jews.

... among other things.

(By TRIANGLE he is refering the three seats of Zionist power in the world.)

Yeah I know it sounds crazy, but if you take the time to read it, think about, and think about the state of the world... well its too awful to even express.

Bassett wrote:Seriously, lock this topic up...

Well, I could lock the thread, but our anonymous troll here has already shown that they're quite willing to simply start new ones. I could also ban them from the boards by IP address, but if I did that, then our old friend Lyl wouldn't be able to post anymore because, in what I'm sure is just a freak coinicidence, the now-banned Lyl and this anonymous, trouble-making troll happen to be using the same ISP.

In response to:

Drocket wrote:Well, I could lock the thread, but our anonymous troll here has already shown that they're quite willing to simply start new ones. I could also ban them from the boards by IP address, but if I did that, then our old friend Lyl wouldn't be able to post anymore because, in what I'm sure is just a freak coinicidence, the now-banned Lyl and this anonymous, trouble-making troll happen to be using the same ISP.

Let me return to the words of Jack Berstein again:

* First, you ignore the charges, hoping the information will not be given widespread distribution.

* If the information starts reaching too many people, you ridicule the information and the person giving the information.

* If that doesn't work, your next step is character assassination. If the author or speaker hasn't been involved in sufficient scandal, you are adept at fabricating a scandal against the person or persons.

* If none of these are effective, you are known to resort to physical attacks.

But NEVER do you try to prove the information wrong.

If you actually look at the overwhelming evidence of verifiable fact "Stranger than Fiction" presents regarding recent events you would eat your words.

Hmm, why wouldn't you go post this stuff on something like Combat 18 forums.

Um, I can't help but notice that no one has actually tried arguing against what he's talking about, but rather what he's doing. If you don't want to hear it, that's one thing, but calling him names and telling him he's wrong without examining what he's actually saying seems a bit harsh and unfair. Ridiculing someone and dismissing their views is hardly the WoD way, is it?

Can anyone offer a different explanation of these easily verifiable facts:

Plans to invade Afganistan were in motion months before 9-11.

Mossad warns CIA and FBI that 200 terrorists under Osama Bin Ladin are

planning a big operation in the US but can't name a single one.

Germany says the Echelon electronic spy network gave US and Israel several

warnings about suicidal hijacks against US targets.

Top Pentagon officials cancel 9-11 travel plans the day before.

2 Israeli office workers near the WTC recieved detailed warnings 2 hours

before the attack.

FBI arrests men exuberantly celebrating the fallen towers. Sniffer dogs react

to their "moving" van as if they smelled explosives. $4000 cash and box

cutters found in the van. The men turn out to be Israeli Army veterans and

Mossad agents.

U.S. media blaming Osama Bin Ladin minutes after the crashes.

The owner of the "moving company" these men worked for abandoned his business

and fled to Israel sometime in the following days.

FBI hold these men as 9-11 suspects, but they are eventually deported.

Netanyahu quick reply to an interviewer about 9-11 is "It's very good…….Well,

it's not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy [for Israel]"

Bin Ladin denies involvment, says Americans should look at the government

within their government.

US investigators find strangly conspicuous clues such as an Arabic flight

manual, Koran, fuel calculator and the bags and car the hijackers

conveniently left behind.

The passport of the so called hijack ringleader Mohammed Atta "miraculously

survived the explosion and inferno to fall to the ground" and was found by

investigators.

Mohammed Atta had reported losing a passport years earlier.

The FBI released a list of 19 suspected Saudi Arabian hijackers (later 20)

after a few days.

Pictures of these suspects saturate the media for some time.

FBI director admits it is likely that hijackers were using false identities

and forged identification.

It comes to light that at least 7 of the FBI's list of suspects are still

living (and thus, obviously, innocent)

Despite this the FBI never updates their list of suspects and the American

media does not mention the story.

It is unlikely that the sophisticated perpatrators of 9-11 would bother using

fake IDs that point blame on their own people.

In January India arrests 11 arab preachers boarding a flight on suspicion

that the are hijackers. It turns out however that they were actually Israeli

nationals and are eventually released.

"Ringleader" Mohammed Atta described as timid, shy, goody-two-shoes mama's

boy by his German ex-roommates. Having lost his passport he was an easy

victim for identity theft.

Though Atta spoke German, the person who enrolled in flight school in his

name was unable to respond to a trainer's German small talk.

Similiarly, suspect the Zacharias Moussaoui claimed to be from France but

reacted beligerently when flight school people attempted french small talk

with him (frech was Zacharias Moussaoui's first language.)

Atta's devastated, affluent parents claim the recieved a phone call from Atta

on Sept 12. So what happened to the real Mohammed Atta? To quote his grief

stricken father: "Ask Mossad!".

One of the two Israelis who died aboard the hijacked planes was Daniel Lewin

was a one-time officer in the Israeli Defense Forces elite Sayeret Matkal

commando unit.

Some Israelis idolize suicide attacker Baruch Goldstein who murdered 40

peaceful and unarmed Arabs in a Mosque.

NORAD failed to scramble jets despite required policy and plenty of time to

do so. That is not how NORAD usually reacts to planes that change their

flight path.

Bush claimed he thought the first impact was due to pilot incompetance. When

informed about the second impact he continues to read to kids a story about a

little goat.

German intelligence suggest a conspiracy, “The planning of the attacks was

technically and organizationally a master achievement—to hijack four huge

airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their

targets, with complicated flight maneuvers,â€

Bassett wrote:Hmm, why wouldn't you go post this stuff on something like Combat 18 forums.

As I said before, I don't approve of supremacists.

Not only that, but the matter can't be taken seriously coming from the mouths of such people.

I'm trying to get Neturei Karta to take up the story instead:
http://www.nkusa.org/

but why post here, this is forum for a game?

I had tried to stop myself from commenting on this, but this thread just wont die.
Guest, whether or not what you say is true, people will not listen when the information is forced upon them. Personally, I am one to read so-called "conspiracy theories" and find truth in them, but because of the way you presented those articles, I did not care to read them. If people dont want to listen, leave them be. It's one thing to say "here's something interesting you might want to read" and completely different to say "you should read this and I dont care what you say until you do."
This is a forum for a game, not a discussion of world politics. People play games like UO to take a break from reality. Your information might be appreciated on a place meant for that, but most people here are not interested.

Bummer, you can't block by IP? OF course, if the lamer is on a dynamic ip that wouldn't work, would it?

Ah well, we can just ignore him.

Drocket wrote:

Bassett wrote:Seriously, lock this topic up...

Well, I could lock the thread, but our anonymous troll here has already shown that they're quite willing to simply start new ones. I could also ban them from the boards by IP address, but if I did that, then our old friend Lyl wouldn't be able to post anymore because, in what I'm sure is just a freak coinicidence, the now-banned Lyl and this anonymous, trouble-making troll happen to be using the same ISP.

Anonymous wrote::?:Can anyone offer a different explanation of these easily verifiable facts:
Plans to invade Afganistan were in motion months before 9-11.

Bush's oil buddies have wanted to build a pipeline across Afganistan for quite a while now, but the Taliban refused to go along with the deal. Thats why Bush spent so much time kissing up to them the first year he was in office. When they still refused, he simply moved on to plan B: take what he wants by force.

Mossad warns CIA and FBI that 200 terrorists under Osama Bin Ladin are planning a big operation in the US but can't name a single one.

Germany says the Echelon electronic spy network gave US and Israel several warnings about suicidal hijacks against US targets.

Simply more government incompetence.

Top Pentagon officials cancel 9-11 travel plans the day before.

Of course. They knew something was up.

2 Israeli office workers near the WTC recieved detailed warnings 2 hours before the attack.

Proof? And please don't point me to the long-winded, incomprehensible gobbly-gook that you linked to before, or Google searches that simply bring up more of the same.

FBI hold these men as 9-11 suspects, but they are eventually deported.

Could it be that they had nothing to do with the attack? No, of course not. Its a conspiracy.

US investigators find strangly conspicuous clues such as an Arabic flight manual, Koran, fuel calculator and the bags and car the hijackers conveniently left behind.

It think it would have been a bit suspicious for the hijackers to take their car with them as carry-on luggage.

It is unlikely that the sophisticated perpatrators of 9-11 would bother using fake IDs that point blame on their own people.

The entire POINT of terrorist activity is to spread a message (stop doing X or we'll blow you up when you're least expecting it.) If no one knows who commited the terrorist act, there's no message attached to it, making the whole thing moot.

In January India arrests 11 arab preachers boarding a flight on suspicion that the are hijackers. It turns out however that they were actually Israeli nationals and are eventually released.

Could it be that it was simply a misunderstanding? No wait, that's right, its a conspiracy.

"Ringleader" Mohammed Atta described as timid, shy, goody-two-shoes mama's boy by his German ex-roommates.

Isn't that what people say about EVERYONE that goes nuts and kills a bunch of people? I don't think I've ever seen a news story about someone who went on a killing spree that didn't include the obligitory interview with the neighbors, who always say the exact same thing: "Oh, he was was always quiet and polite."

Bush claimed he thought the first impact was due to pilot incompetance. When informed about the second impact he continues to read to kids a story about a little goat.

Bush being dense and incompetent - who woulda thunk it?

German intelligence suggest a conspiracy, ?The planning of the attacks was technically and organizationally a master achievement?to hijack four huge airplanes within a few minutes and within one hour, to drive them into their targets, with complicated flight maneuvers,? said von Bülow in the Tagesspiegel interview. ?This is unthinkable, without years of support from state intelligence services." He also suggest brainwashing/propaganda in the US.

They practiced on Microsoft Fight Simulator. Didn't you hear?

Boston airport security was handled by Huntleigh USA which is owned by Israeli companies. They are being sued for gross negligence.

Israeli security companies benefiting from increased demand after 9-11.

Aren't these a tad contradictory?

WTC engineer calls collapse of WTC unbelievable. WTC was designed to withstand airplane impact.

Intended to withstand impact from small commuter planes that might crash by accident, not major commercial transport jets deliberately steered into them.

The history of high-rise building fires provides no case histories of buildings collapsing due to steel beams melting from a fire.

And how many of those fires had several thousands gallons of jet fuel dumped on them?

The total collapse of WTC 1, WTC 2, AND WTC 7 (which was never even hit by a plane!) were all perfectly symmetrical and methodical. The three straight down collapses were all identical in appearance to well engineered, controlled implosions.

If someone managed to rig the buildings to implode, why precisely would they bother with the planes?

Later Van suddenly flip flops his appraisal

Because he realizes he's wrong? No wait, that's right, its a conspiracy.

Fire fighters and journalists report a bomb or explosions going off before the collapse.

There certainly wouldn't be any explosions going on in a building struck by a plane and buring our of control, right?

Audio recordings of the last minutes of fire fighters are classified. Possibly because they had the fire under control and the fire wasn't responsible for the collapse?

Or perhaps because it would be a tad gruesome to release audio takes of several hundred/thousand people being smooshed.

Eh, this is getting boring. One last thing...

According to FOX news...

That right there's enough to discredit any following statement. "Fox news reports that the sky is blue" would have me double-checking.

Wow, Just started skimming down the forums and found quite a doozy of a thread here. I don't understand all the fuss, usually these types of posters just want attention, so when you ignore them they end up going away.

Also, do your admins usually encourage such flames? I thought this was the "Board and Site Issues" forum. This is as "offtopic" as you could possibly get, any clear-thinking admin would have just locked it with a "move along, nothing to see." Why bother having different forums if people can just post whatever they want?

I would like to provide everyone with the opportunity to understand why Orthodox Jews oppose Zionism. If you don't mind educating yourself you can follow this link:
http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/opposition.cfm
Neturei Karta is an international group of Orthodox Jews opposed to Zionism.

Here is a choice excerpt:

The Zionists claim that they are the saviors of Israel, but this is refuted by twelve things:

FIRST -- If one contemplates the two thousand years of our exile, take any hundred years even the hardest, one will not find as much suffering, bloodshed, and catastrophes for the People of Israel in the period of the Zionists, and it is known that most of the suffering of this century was caused by the Zionists, as our Rabbis warned us would be the case.

SECOND -- It is openly stated in books written by the founders of Zionism that the means by which they planned to establish a state was by instigating anti-Semitism, and undermining the security of the Jews in all the lands of the world, until they would be forced to flee to their state. And thus they did - They intentionally infuriated the German people and fanned the flames of Nazi hatred, and they helped the Nazis, with trickery and deceit, to take whole Jewish communities off to the concentration camps, and the Zionists themselves admit this. (See the books Perfidy, Min Hameitzor, etc.). The Zionists continue to practice this strategy today. They incite anti-Semitism and then they present themselves as the "saviors". Here are two replies given by Leaders of the Zionists during World War II, when they were asked for money to help ransom Jews from the Nazis. Greenbaum said "One cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland." (G-d forbid).
Weitzman said, "The most important part of the Jewish people is already in the land (of Israel) and those who are left, are unimportant" (May we be spared).

THIRD -- We see that most of world Jewry lives in security and under good physical conditions, and have no desire to go live in the Zionist State. Whereas many people have left the Zionist State to live under better conditions in other lands.

FOURTH -- The Zionists make a great deal of propaganda to induce people to immigrate to their state. If their state is so beneficial why do they have to make so much propaganda.

FIFTH -- Because nobody wants the Zionists to "save" them. The only way they can get immigrants is by promising poor people material benefits, and even then very few people respond.

SIXTH -- The Zionist State is always threatened by the dangers of war. Whereas the rest of world Jewry live in peace and security, (Except in a few places where the Zionists have undermined their security and fanned the flames of hatred)

SEVENTH -- The Zionist State could not continue to exist without economic support from Jews living outside of the Zionist State.

EIGHTH -- The Zionist State is on the verge of economic collapse, and their money is nearly worthless.

NINTH -- The Zionist State persecute all Jews who are loyal to their Faith.

TENTH -- They start wars that endanger the Jewish People, for the sake of their own political interests.

ELEVENTH - According to the Torah the path of safety is following ways of peace not starting fights with other nations, as the Zionists do.

TWELFTH -- Even if the Zionists could and would provide physical security it would be at the expense of our Faith and Our Torah the true People of Israel prefer death rather than life at such a cost.

It is therefore clear that Zionism is not the savior of the people of Israel. Rather it is their greatest misfortune.

Even though there are some observant Jews and rabbis, who approve of the Zionists, this is not the opinion of the Torah.

The Zionists have enough control over the American news media to make sure that only their side of the story is heard.

They make it look like all Jewry and their rabbis are Zionists, but this is false propaganda.

The most important Rabbis and the majority of religious Jewry are opposed to Zionism, but their voice is not heard because of Zionist control of American news media.

The Zionists terrorize everyone who speaks out against them.

That part of the Jewish masses which is fooled by Zionist propaganda puts pressure on their Rabbis not to speak out.

Between the terror and the pressure of the masses most of the Rabbis are prevented from speaking out.

Cecil wrote:Wow, Just started skimming down the forums and found quite a doozy of a thread here. I don't understand all the fuss, usually these types of posters just want attention, so when you ignore them they end up going away.

True, but many of us are compelled to reply.

Cecil wrote:Also, do your admins usually encourage such flames?

No, but they do not jump to closing topics right away. If you give the flames a chance to die out, they dont just start over in another thread.

Cecil wrote:I thought this was the "Board and Site Issues" forum. This is as "offtopic" as you could possibly get,

'Guest' believed that since his post in another forum was removed, he should protest on the "board and Site Issues forum. The thread then moved away from that issue, and became a flame war about the conspiracy theories.

Cecil wrote:any clear-thinking admin would have just locked it with a "move along, nothing to see." Why bother having different forums if people can just post whatever they want?

The admins do not rush to close/remove threads. People can generally say what they wish here. This isn't like most shards, and I'd say that's a good thing.